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The Battle for #1 in 4B

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These last 3 weeks are going to be absolute madness. Huguenot will win out but they need both Varina & Dinwiddie to lose in order to obtain the 1 seed I think. I have no idea how things will play out if Varina and Dinwiddie both win out / or one loses I know someone can help me out with that.
A lot of great football coming the next 3 weeks with huge seeding implications:
Eastern View v King George
Highland Springs v Varina
Matoaca v Dinwiddie
Highland Springs v Hanover
 
You’re dammed if you do, damned if you don’t in this region. I wouldn’t want to be that 2 seed in this region. I think it’ll ultimately be 1. Dinwiddie 2. Huguenot 3. Varina 4. King George. HS/Varina and Dinwiddie/Mataoca will decide this region’s playoff fate.
 
You’re dammed if you do, damned if you don’t in this region. I wouldn’t want to be that 2 seed in this region. I think it’ll ultimately be 1. Dinwiddie 2. Huguenot 3. Varina 4. King George. HS/Varina and Dinwiddie/Mataoca will decide this region’s playoff fate.
Preach @BoKnowsSports! Being a top four seed only guarantees one home game.
 
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Caroline having their best season in over a decade and still might miss out on the playoffs. Just a brutal region, no real room for error at all
I mentioned it in my preview for the week... Caroline 5-2 fighting for a spot in the playoffs and Colonial Heights 2-5 and as of this week they have a home game in the Region 3A playoffs.
 
I mentioned it in my preview for the week... Caroline 5-2 fighting for a spot in the playoffs and Colonial Heights 2-5 and as of this week they have a home game in the Region 3A playoffs.
Colonial Heights beating Caroline tonight (22-21) probably takes Caroline out of the playoff hunt. They will probably finish 6-4 which is a good season, but won't be good enough to make the playoffs in 4B.
 
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Colonial Heights beating Caroline tonight (22-21) probably takes Caroline out of the playoff hunt. They will probably finish 6-4 which is a good season, but won't be good enough to make the playoffs in 4B.
Not so fast, m-squared. Hanover and Monacan lost tonight. EV lost as well, but I doubt that will have any affect on Caroline.

If Caroline can beat Courtland next week, that will almost lock them in as long as they beat JM in the final game, which they easily should.
 
Hanover will definitely earn more points for losing to HSHS than Caroline will earn for beating JM. Not sure what Freeman's record is or what class they are. I don't think Caroline will beat Courtland.
If Hanover loses to Springs they will get 14 points plus 6-7 rider points. If they lose to Freeman they will get 12 plus 7 rider points.

If Caroline beats JM they will get 22 points plus 4-6 rider points. A win against Courtland will get them 22 plus 12-14 rider points. A loss gets them 10 points plus 6-7 rider points.

If Caroline can beat JM and Hanover loses both they have a shot. Bad loss last night though. Colonial Heights helped Dinwiddie out with 2 unexpected rider points. Every point counts now.
 
Thanks BleedingNavy. So Caroline doesn't seem out of it yet, but they need to win out and get some help. Does that sound right? I've nothing against Caroline and I hope it doesn't sound like it. I lived in Caroline (Bowling Green) until I was 8. That was a long time ago (in the 60s). I still know a few folks there and have great memories. My dad coached and was AD at the old Caroline HS from '58-'69. In the late 80s/early 90s Caroline HS honored one of his teams and brought them out on the field. He and the gentlemen who played for him really enjoyed and appreciated it.

4B will be fun to watch and follow the next two weeks! Looks like some good teams will not get in. Have a good one!
 
I don't think anyone would think you have anything against any team or person. Good questions. Caroline has an outside and I mean outside shot. The teams at the back end must virtually win out to have a shot.
 
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I tip my hat to your dad. There is no telling how many lives he changed by being a mentor and a coach.

In recent years at Dinwiddie we have been honoring a team from the past every year. Bleeding Navy along with several others have made these “reunions” a wonderful walk down memory lane. So we know what it meant to your dad.

I’ve had a fondness for Caroline ever since we first started playing them many years back. And this might sound silly to most people, but the very first time I ever went to Caroline, the people at the gate, and especially the ladies at the concession stand, were warm and friendly and made me a fan for life. Just that first impression was what set the tone.
 
I was looking at North Carolina to see what they do and found out they have only 4 Classes but divided the state into east and west regions with about 200 schools in each region. If this appeal to you see how VA would do this type of realignment.

https://wwwcache.highschoolot.com/a...4158/2021-2025_ClassAlpha-DMID1-5p2x1m4kb.pdf
NC goes to 8 classes next year. Up until 2 years ago the had 1a, 1aa, 2a, 2aa and so forth. Seems that they are going back to the 8 they used to have. But, now going to call them 1a through 8a.
 
NC goes to 8 classes next year. Up until 2 years ago the had 1a, 1aa, 2a, 2aa and so forth. Seems that they are going back to the 8 they used to have. But, now going to call them 1a through 8a.
SO A FAILED EXPERIMENT - MAYBE VA CAN LEARN FROM THAT SO MAYBE 8 IS IN OUR FUTURE.
we don't need regions with 16-18 schools.
 
SO A FAILED EXPERIMENT - MAYBE VA CAN LEARN FROM THAT SO MAYBE 8 IS IN OUR FUTURE.
we don't need regions with 16-18 schools.
I counted 317 VHSL schools... if you go to 8 classes that is roughly 39-40 schools per class. Sorry, not a fan. I could play with this in the offseason to see what those classes would look like and how you divide it but I think six classes is as many as we should go.
 
I counted 317 VHSL schools... if you go to 8 classes that is roughly 39-40 schools per class. Sorry, not a fan. I could play with this in the offseason to see what those classes would look like and how you divide it but I think six classes is as many as we should go.
then you are gonna have to do something with class 6, it is bursting at the seams with more schools coming. Maybe reshuffle the classes again moving some of the 6 school down.
 
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then you are gonna have to do something with class 6, it is bursting at the seams with more schools coming.
Without a doubt. I mean each cycle there will be shifting... come Class 6 schools will drop to Class 5 as more schools come on board. In a decade if Virginia continues to grow and more schools come on board then maybe 8 but I don't think we are anywhere close to that yet.
 
I counted 317 VHSL schools... if you go to 8 classes that is roughly 39-40 schools per class. Sorry, not a fan. I could play with this in the offseason to see what those classes would look like and how you divide it but I think six classes is as many as we should go.
Guys, I’ve been around a lot longer than most of you. I’ve seen every configuration of playoffs, divisions, classes, regions, districts, groups, conferences, and God Knows what else.

Some were awkward, some were blatantly unfair, some were almost irrelevant, and some worked pretty good.

But nothing, and I mean nothing, was ever perfect and satisfactory to everyone. Because that perfect scheme doesn’t exist.

Look at the diversification across our fair state. Tiny schools, giant schools, rich schools, poor schools, 30 schools in one county, I school a million miles away from everybody in a county.
Strong athletic programs, virtually no athletic programs. Shrinking schools, schools growing so fast they can’t build a new school fast enough. And a ton of other less obvious differences.

I’m telling you from a perspective of been there, done that, that the current system is pretty damn good. Do we always need to look at tweaks that will make it better? Of course we do. But making wholesale changes is not going to fix anything, just ship the shortcomings from one group to another.

And all of us are guilty of the same thing. Me included. We look at the format thinking about nothing but football. As important as football is to us and to most schools, it’s only one piece of the high school athletics picture. I don’t have to list all the different sports played in our high schools for you guys. You know them better than I do. So keep in mind when you start throwing out ideas for how to make it “better”, how does better affect girls basketball in Windsor, or competition cheer in Annandale, or swimming in the Richmond area, or golf in Abington?
 
North Carolina has 2 million more people than Virginia. 6 Classes is plenty. I'm fine with sticking with that number for football and basketball.
Yeah Mike, ever since they stopped teaching the three R’s in North Carolina, Virginia’s population growth has leveled off, and NC has continued to expand.

What? The three R’s they used to teach?

Readin, Rightin, and the Road to Richmond!!!

(Well, there went my right to ever travel to NC again!)
 
NC has at least 10 schools in Charlotte alone with 2500 kids. You have multiple schools in Greensboro, Raleigh, Winston Salem and Wilmington with similar numbers. Outside of NoVa, there’s only a handful of schools over 2,000. I’m not a fan of NC going to 8 classes but I still think it’s a better system than VA having 6 classes.
 
NC has at least 10 schools in Charlotte alone with 2500 kids. You have multiple schools in Greensboro, Raleigh, Winston Salem and Wilmington with similar numbers. Outside of NoVa, there’s only a handful of schools over 2,000. I’m not a fan of NC going to 8 classes but I still think it’s a better system than VA having 6 classes.
Raleigh area has 10 that are 2500 or more as well. Wake county has 27 public high schools. Most are atleast 2k enrollment.
 
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I would make it six overall. I would add one small A, so you have 1A and 1AA, since that's where most of the problems are because 400 students is not a big difference for the big schools like it is for the small schools. So, you basically have three classes between 1A and 2A, and I would add one classification for everyone else.

I would do away with the guaranteed top 10 seed for conference champs. Make them AQs, but seed by RPI. That makes it more difficult to game the system with your schedule. And I would try to get the private schools in there too. Which probably an unpopular opinion.

Hough is going to be tough. They should be undefeated. They blew that first game against RH Northwestern.
 
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Too many champs in basketball and football, period. 4A in NC is West heavy in every major sport so it’s gonna be watered down. Who you got in the 4A game this year? Gotta go Hough/Rolesville here.
we have the ability to have as many state championship as we want. A good example is Boy's Volleyball; we have only 3 championships: Class 6, Class 5 and Classes 4-3-2-1.
 
we have the ability to have as many state championship as we want. A good example is Boy's Volleyball; we have only 3 championships: Class 6, Class 5 and Classes 4-3-2-1.
Field Hockey has 4 state championships: Class 6, Class 5, Class 4, Classes 3-2-1. That's driven I think by most of the smaller schools not having field hockey teams.
 
Field Hockey has 4 state championships: Class 6, Class 5, Class 4, Classes 3-2-1. That's driven I think by most of the smaller schools not having field hockey teams.
of course, but still that is an option. There no legal reason we cannot combine classes in FB and BB.
C6-5
C4-3
C2-1
 
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