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Too Early for a Shenandoah District Football Discussion???

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This is mid-June and the first games will be I assume on August 31, or maybe even the week before, so it will be here before you know it. Besides, since this will apparently be the last year for the 'Doah as we know it, we should make the most of it. Here is my take on how the teams will stack up.

1) Riverheads: Not that I am biased or anything but everybody seems to think the Big Red will be even better this year than last, so who I am to argue? The running back corps will be deep as always, there is a quality receiver or two returning, and there are two distinctly different quarterback rumors making the rounds. As always the line play will define RHS' success, so if that comes through for them, then I guess yes, there will be a good chance for a state title threepeat. Ironically, the potential game of the year could be the non-district one when Central Woodstock comes to town.

2) East Rockingham: I don't recall the names but I am pretty sure the Eagles return a senior quarterback and a talented running back. They have been flirting with the top of the heap almost since their first year and this could be the year they mount a serious challenge.

3) Luray: Last year was a banner year for the Dogs, one that could have been even better if not for some internal issues. I remember a very strong junior running back, so assuming he returns, they should be at or near the top again.

4) Buffalo Gap: Carter Rivenburg alone will be enough to have the Bison in the discussion at the start and perhaps keep them there for a while.

5) Stuarts Draft: This prediction and the one below for the Leemen are not based in the least on any disrespect for either team, but rather reflects the simple fact that there will not be but so much room at the top. In fact this could be one of those years in which we have a four or five way battle for positioning either at the top or immediately below it.

6) R E Lee: First of all, see SD comment above. After their incredible run to Salem last year and their almost-win against powerhouse Appomattox, you might ask how could they POSSIBLY slip this far down the Shenandoah ladder. But this prediction is based on the perception that they were almost all seniors last year, and especially that Williams will be nearly impossible to replace. So finding leadership could be their biggest obstacle this year. If they perhaps DO have another banner year this year, that will prove that last year's run was as much about Girolmo as it was the seniors he put on the field.

7) Wilson: Last year at this time, I think I put Page ahead of Wilson because the Panthers got that game at home. But Wilson was still able to take them down. So this year, again I see them as being pretty close to one another, but with their game at Wilson, you would assume they will be able to stay one step above Page.

8) Page: One thing is for sure............Page had one of the best BASEBALL teams in the state this year, so if they can build on that confidence, maybe some of that success can translate to football. It seems like every year, we say this could be the year that they could surprise some people, but due to the intensity of the competition in the district, it may not happen for them again this year.

9) Stonewall: Keep your chins up guys...........it will happen for you one of these years. In the meantime, everybody loves your concession stand so keep up the good work in that department!
 
1) RHS Why not?
2) ER Most returning talent in the district
3) Gap Rivenburg has me feeling like the summer of 2015
4) Lee No Jayden, No top spot
5) Luray No Jenkins
6) Stuarts Draft In or out by another fraction
7) WMHS Unproven names everywhere
8) Page Lost a lot, but I predict same record
9) Stonewall Is someone going to tell them it won't get easier in the Bull Run

1 & 2 is decided, can someone sneak into that group and make another tri-leading group?
3 - 6 can be swapped around without much argument. The story here is who can rise up to compete with 1 & 2, and will #6 get in or be left out of playoffs.
7 - 8 hoping for improvement but 5-5 is the absolute dream ceiling
9 #Sad
 
Fantasy World: (What if the district already changed)
1) RHS Again, why not?
2) ER More talent than the new guys
3) Gap They play tougher than the new guys
4) Lee now faces two rivals instead of northern nobodys. Do we see a surprise loss?
5) Stuarts Draft In reality, they open with Waynesboro. So I guess I am saying SD wins that game.
6) Waynesboro The talent is there to rise up a few spots, but new QB has me holding back
7) WMHS If Page and Stonewall are gone, where will 3 wins come from?
8) Fort has lost to Wilson that past 3 years. While last year was the closest, I don't see what has changed.

Does my fantasy world prediction properly indicate my excitement for the new district? Packed stands every Friday night.
 
I think it does. For the purpose of creating the best possible atmospheres all over the county week in and week out, this district lineup, if it comes to pass, will be awesome.
 
Looking back at my post from yesterday, and looking at a Luray roster, I think the Bulldogs are the team that might surprise me (not you Longtimer, you already had them 3rd) and jump to either the top of the 2nd tier or again be involved in a top 3 share of the district.
  • They beat ER in back to back weeks to close out the Eagles' season
  • Rolled into RHS ready only to have their star player out of the game moments before kickoff.
  • I also forget that the regular season win over Lee was a balanced showing with plenty of output from the entire backfield and their D shut down Jayden, which NOBODY ELSE did.
They come to play and if able to play at full strength, with the production they have coming back, should have a lot to say in the district.

The Bulldogs' district opener with Gap will set a tone for both teams and create a ceiling for the losing team. (I am reminded how tough a district opening run the Bison had last year and will have this year. Luray, Lee, RHS)
 
The Riverheads/Luray game could indeed be interesting this year as of course will be the Gladiators' trip to East Rock. In fact, I am sure there will be people that will howl during the course of the season and say "Why does Riverheads get to play every one of the county teams at home this year?" Of course the answer to that will be that they played them all on the road last year. But people tend to forget don't they?

But back to the subject of Luray.......yes RHS will travel there, but it is a funny thing.....As a general rule, the Gladiators have had the knack to handle the Dogs rather easily up there. There may have been one or two close ones over the years (who could forget 1999?) but for the most part, the Big Red stays focused and gets the job done up on the Bulldog field.

Same for East Rock. I believe this will be their ninth year of existence and RHS is undefeated against the Eagles. Only one game in the series has come down to the wire.

So yes, these two will be among the Big Red's challenge games of the year, as will the visit from Central that I mentioned earlier. All we can do is take them one at a time, which has always been a a Casto tradition.
 
I don't play for him, I can look ahead all I want :) Lord knows I am not focused on that Bath County opener.
 
Looking at district alignment on vhsl they don’t have Fort and Waynesboro listed in Shenandoah
 
I see what you mean. I have to admit I wondered what it would do to the Valley District if they took out both Waynesboro and Fort. It would leave them with just Rockbridge and the four largest Rockingham schools. Of course I guess another option would be to bring Waynesboro and Fort to the Shenandoah and put East Rock in the Valley. If my math is right, that would give the Doah seven teams and the Valley six.

Wonder if what you just saw is official or if it is still all in the discussion stages? A few weeks ago, the newspaper had made it sound as if those two coming to the Doah was almost a done deal.
 
From what I understand these changes don't occur until the 2019-2020 seasons. This upcoming school year is just like last year. These changes are planned well in advance of taking effect.
 
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From what I understand these changes don't occur until the 2019-2020 seasons. This upcoming school year is just like last year.

Exactly right. And I am sure there could be a hiccup down the road for it, but nothing changes this year.

It's the reason Riverheads plays all these teams at home this year, because last year they were away and it goes in 2 year cycles. So since it's the topic every week now it seems, Riverheads could have 5000 students this year, but by the numbers from past year they would still be 1a.
 
shendistrict:

All of us understand that we are currently in the middle of a two-year cycle and that this upcoming year everyone will stay where they are. But what Baseball215 had found, and I checked it after he pointed it out, was that the VHSL has already posted on its website the new proposed district alignments that would take effect in the fall of 2019. I think the website further states that whatever changes they make will be in effect for a four year period, meaning 2019-2020, 2020-2021, 2021-2022, and 2022-2023.

So again the question remains.......Is that their final decision for that next cycle of changes or is it just a current proposal that is on the table? Has a final vote been taken? Does anyone know?
 
Exactly right. And I am sure there could be a hiccup down the road for it, but nothing changes this year.

It's the reason Riverheads plays all these teams at home this year, because last year they were away and it goes in 2 year cycles. So since it's the topic every week now it seems, Riverheads could have 5000 students this year, but by the numbers from past year they would still be 1a.
I think one of our regular posters said that Riverheads had over 4000 kids transfer in this year so they could win every state title in 1A sports and he was still mad about the numbers being at 474.5. Just kidding of course. :)
 
shendistrict:

All of us understand that we are currently in the middle of a two-year cycle and that this upcoming year everyone will stay where they are. But what Baseball215 had found, and I checked it after he pointed it out, was that the VHSL has already posted on its website the new proposed district alignments that would take effect in the fall of 2019. I think the website further states that whatever changes they make will be in effect for a four year period, meaning 2019-2020, 2020-2021, 2021-2022, and 2022-2023.

So again the question remains.......Is that their final decision for that next cycle of changes or is it just a current proposal that is on the table? Has a final vote been taken? Does anyone know?
This is off the VHSL website:

The VHSL Alignment Committee has met and proposed a 2019-2020 through 2022-23 recommended alignment plan. Since there were two classes that did not settle on a definitive plan to move forward, the Alignment Committee has scheduled an additional meeting for July 25 at the VHSL Office. Also there were several district requests that were tabled until the districts could vote. The Appeals Hearing is scheduled for Tuesday, August 21 at the VHSL Office.

On the front page of VHSL website.

Bottom line. Nothing official yet.
 
Doing a little more digging led to an interesting find.
If you go to the main VHSL website you will see on the main page the 2020-2023 alignment plan. If you click on that you get to another page where you can click on the Initial Alignment Plan Minutes for 2019-2020 through 2022-23. This is where the minutes for the last meeting are listed. 4 pages of notes. Lots of info.
Fort, Waynesboro issue to move tabled until next meeting, Wilson voted NO (INTERESTING)

Stonewall, Luray, Page moving approved

East Rock move tabled until next meeting

Most interesting was proposal to add 5 members to region 1B, which has 9 including Riverheads, from combination of 1A and 1C schools. WOW
Go take a look.
 
Wow! I had no idea there was that much information out there! I will have to check it out when I have more time. Thanks for sharing.

What exactly is being discussed about East Rock? When I mentioned that a post or two ago, I was just typing to see myself type. I don't recall ever hearing anything about them moving and I seriously thought they were both content and welcome in the Shenandoah.
 
Interesting read and I think it will a good thing to add 5 teams to 1b as Stonewall Jackson is leaving
 
Wow! I had no idea there was that much information out there! I will have to check it out when I have more time. Thanks for sharing.

What exactly is being discussed about East Rock? When I mentioned that a post or two ago, I was just typing to see myself type. I don't recall ever hearing anything about them moving and I seriously thought they were both content and welcome in the Shenandoah.
I had heard somewhere that East Rock was looking to also join the Bull Run.
 
Doing a little more digging led to an interesting find.
If you go to the main VHSL website you will see on the main page the 2020-2023 alignment plan. If you click on that you get to another page where you can click on the Initial Alignment Plan Minutes for 2019-2020 through 2022-23. This is where the minutes for the last meeting are listed. 4 pages of notes. Lots of info.
Fort, Waynesboro issue to move tabled until next meeting, Wilson voted NO (INTERESTING)

Stonewall, Luray, Page moving approved

East Rock move tabled until next meeting

Most interesting was proposal to add 5 members to region 1B, which has 9 including Riverheads, from combination of 1A and 1C schools. WOW
Go take a look.
Looks like Waynesboro will stay in the Valley but fort will move ! That's the word at Wboro . With Stonewall, Page ,and Luray out what would be wrong with Shen. teams playing each other twice to fill their schedule ?
 
They don’t have to be in same district to be put on schedule with less teams in district they should be able to schedule one another
 
The teams in different divisions won't see each other in the post season . Play the same team twice . Once in non district and the next in district . Less travel and more gate $ .
Play a team a couple hours away , more money spent and less gate $ . DAAAAAAAA !
 
I had some time to study all that stuff in more detail. The only surprise I came across was the Bull Run district. I had assumed that the three teams that were leaving the Shenandoah would pretty much be joining the existing members of the Bull Run. Instead if you study the list, some other Bull Run teams are leaving for the Northwest District and if this all goes through as listed, that NW District will have FIFTEEN MEMBERS!!

Mind you not 15 teams in a REGION, but 15 in the same DISTRICT. They would never be able to claim an undisputed champion in any sport because there would not be enough games for them to play each other. Not our problem down here in the Valley of course but it sure sounds like a strange idea.
 
The teams in different divisions won't see each other in the post season . Play the same team twice . Once in non district and the next in district . Less travel and more gate $ .
Play a team a couple hours away , more money spent and less gate $ . DAAAAAAAA !
That’s my point even if Waynesboro and Fort don’t come to Shenandoah they should play each other for that very reason
 
I see what you mean. I have to admit I wondered what it would do to the Valley District if they took out both Waynesboro and Fort. It would leave them with just Rockbridge and the four largest Rockingham schools. Of course I guess another option would be to bring Waynesboro and Fort to the Shenandoah and put East Rock in the Valley. If my math is right, that would give the Doah seven teams and the Valley six.

Wonder if what you just saw is official or if it is still all in the discussion stages? A few weeks ago, the newspaper had made it sound as if those two coming to the Doah was almost a done deal.
Valley will be fine with the addition of Rocktown High.
 
Rocktown?
Harrisonburg's second high school, slated to open in 2023. It will be located near the Cracker Barrel by the interstate. I think Rodents would be a neat mascot for them. The stadium, if they don't share one with the Blue Streaks, could be called The Quarry.

 
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I don't know if he was kidding about the name but I could actually see it working, in terms of chants and cheers. Except for the obvious problem that we already have enough RHS's in the world of sports!!!

Then of course there is the debate raging about what will or will not happen with the name of R E Lee but I guess that in another subject.
 
I don't know if he was kidding about the name but I could actually see it working, in terms of chants and cheers. Except for the obvious problem that we already have enough RHS's in the world of sports!!!

Then of course there is the debate raging about what will or will not happen with the name of R E Lee but I guess that in another subject.
Only half serious. It beats South Harrisonburg High or Ralph Sampson High. I would not be opposed to naming it for Lucy Simms.
 
Figured it was time for me to jump in and add my .02.

It looks like there are a few people seeing Lee step back a touch this year and although that may be the case, I don’t think they fall far from grace. Coaching and the pipeline of athletes will keep them at or near the top.

I believe the Red team will be solid but could be taken a time or three this year if the cards fall where they could.

East Rock will be explosive on O but somehow I always doubt their commitment to stopping the other team.

Gap and Luray will be very good as well but honestly may be a little one dimensional unless some underclassmen show up to help tote the load.

Draft will have athletes abound but may struggle to put points up in bunches.

Here is something that could go either way but Wilson is the unknown as a birdie told me that the O will be a hybrid with some RPO as they are leaning away from the double wing. Could take a year or so to take hold and get everyone on board.

Page has athletes walking the halls and I don’t pretend to know why they aren’t coming out for football but the ones that do will give their all and should squeak out a win or three maybe.

Stonewall has seen much better times and will again but the numbers indicate they won’t have quite enough horses to gallup to much more than a win if that.

Now that we are into practices and scrimmages have or will begin this week, it is time I wish all of the young men that take the field a safe and successful season. Thank you for letting us enjoy the Friday Night Lights.
 
Figured it was time for me to jump in and add my .02.

It looks like there are a few people seeing Lee step back a touch this year and although that may be the case, I don’t think they fall far from grace. Coaching and the pipeline of athletes will keep them at or near the top.

I believe the Red team will be solid but could be taken a time or three this year if the cards fall where they could.

East Rock will be explosive on O but somehow I always doubt their commitment to stopping the other team.

Gap and Luray will be very good as well but honestly may be a little one dimensional unless some underclassmen show up to help tote the load.

Draft will have athletes abound but may struggle to put points up in bunches.

Here is something that could go either way but Wilson is the unknown as a birdie told me that the O will be a hybrid with some RPO as they are leaning away from the double wing. Could take a year or so to take hold and get everyone on board.

Page has athletes walking the halls and I don’t pretend to know why they aren’t coming out for football but the ones that do will give their all and should squeak out a win or three maybe.

Stonewall has seen much better times and will again but the numbers indicate they won’t have quite enough horses to gallup to much more than a win if that.

Now that we are into practices and scrimmages have or will begin this week, it is time I wish all of the young men that take the field a safe and successful season. Thank you for letting us enjoy the Friday Night Lights.
East Rock is loaded with talent and experience. A change to more of a ball control offense may reveal that the defense is better than everyone thinks. Riverheads is still my pick to win the district, but I think East Rock will surprise some.
 
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Here is how I see things turning out. But I'm no nostradamus.

1. Riverheads
2. East Rockingham
3-6. Buffalo Gap, Luray, Robert E. Lee, and Stuart's Draft
7. Wilson
8. Page
9. Stonewall Jackson
 
At the top I see 3 teams above the rest:
Gap, East Rock and Riverheads.

1) East Rock- Many Seniors and are loaded.
2) Gap-Picked them to win it last year but I think I was a year away. I am fighting myself picking them again. With a year in a new offense under their belt, they may just be at the top.
3) Riverheads- Returns most of the talent from last year. Minimum State Runner Up to Essex, probable 3 time 1A State Champion.
In the next group Draft, Page, Luray, R.E. Lee.
4) Luray- Sophomore QB has some serious skills and will surprise a few in the district. Could move into the top 3. As always will be the most physical Team in the district.
5) Draft, Page and R.E. Lee are a toss up.
Draft lost most of its line, but has some really good young players coming up. I think they may be a year away from making some noise.
R.E. Lee has to replace a ton of talent. The kids have bought in and they always have athletes so they could move up. Right now I have them in the lower half of the district.
Last year I said look out for Luray. This year Page will surprise a lot. They are not a free win and will give many teams a tough time. I do not think they are Luray caliber from last year but I think they have a chance to be pretty good. Still a little young but I wouldn't be shocked in they finished in the top 5.

Stonewall will keep building.

I left Wilson off for a reason and will go into why.
Last year I picked them much higher but I did not know that 8 potential starters would not return for the Hornets. Losing a key RB to a rival school I downplayed but I did not know that 2 of the kids I expected to step up would not even be on the team.
This years team will be the most talented Wilson team put on the field in the past few years. A good mixture of youth and experience will help.
The line should be pretty solid. The offense should be able to move the ball. The key will be can we stop anyone. If the defense returns to the physical defense of the Wilson past, this team is going to shock a lot of people.
I am hearing that there is a new dedication and some changes taken place but I cannot put them in the standings because outside of the players, there are still too many unknowns that will play into how good this team will be.

Just my two cents....
 
Riverheads is the team to beat. I can see Gap leap frogging East Rock because they are more physical and no team really stopped their offense last season (not counting the playoff game). I agree Wilson will surprise people.
 
1. Red Team
2. Buffalo Gap/East Rock pick 'em
4. Staunton
5. Stuarts Draft
6. Luray/Wilson Memorial pick 'em
8. Page
9. Quicksburg
 
@WilsonFootball, has the talent evaluators gotten better in Fishersville? I am not being a smarta$$ but in my opinion that has been their Achilles heal. There is usually some talent there but I can tell you that for several years they have sit and watched. Some have not played in following years and some just don’t go any further than LL or JV. There was no chance to see the field and prove one way or the other if they should be there. It has been problematic for a while.
That said, I do genuinely hope the changes are taking place and they get back to competing year and year out. It makes the whole district better when all of the teams are in the mix.
Good luck to you and yours except when they play the Red Team.
 
@WilsonFootball, has the talent evaluators gotten better in Fishersville? I am not being a smarta$$ but in my opinion that has been their Achilles heal. There is usually some talent there but I can tell you that for several years they have sit and watched. Some have not played in following years and some just don’t go any further than LL or JV. There was no chance to see the field and prove one way or the other if they should be there. It has been problematic for a while.
That said, I do genuinely hope the changes are taking place and they get back to competing year and year out. It makes the whole district better when all of the teams are in the mix.
Good luck to you and yours except when they play the Red Team.
I know exactly what you are asking and sadly we still have a few not suited up that should be. But to their credit there has been some much needed changes. I believe they have taken some accountability and now they have some talent to put the program back on the right track. The future looks promising. If they turn this thing around, they deserve some credit. They have defiantly gotten enough criticism.
Good luck to the Red Team as well. We all know what you bring on Friday nights and it's the same as always. I expect a war between you guys and Essex and the winner will have a ring.
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