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Riverheads 29 Stuarts Draft 28 Final

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Gunz41 said:
Well now you want to continue, while I wanted to bow out. Maybe Riverheads Hudl doesn't show the clock, but I can guarantee you SDs does.

As for Wrestling, that was said because the one that it was being discussed with at the time said he COACHES Wrestling.

As far as starting other sports early yada yada yada, real classy.

Now you actually want to start talking about the team and the kids. Again REAL CLASSY.

I won't stoop to that level.

Again, believe me if you want, I really don't give a shit now. If you saw the video, you would try to walk around it anyway.

As for the rest of your message, yep you will find 2 instances of time being put on the clock. If you have even a SHRED of honesty in you, and you don't FREELY admit that even right on NFHS (forget Hudl and endzone cameras, etc) that Riverheads 2nd play of the last drive (1st play was a scramble that the QB goes out of bounds with 2:07 left in game. The VERY NEXT PLAY, RH runs for 14 yards and ONE SECOND comes off the clock. That is CLEAR no matter where it is viewed from.

As for the others, you can do your own work if you really want to see it. The 2 schools are separated by 8.7 miles. I will not do the work for you. If it actually made a difference if you saw it, then maybe. But my guess is you would just change the subject, so GTFOH with it. Or better yet, how about this, obviously nothing is going to change the outcome of this game. So IF I get you this evidence, since it is available, once it is proven, then not just from you but others as well, a PUBLIC APOLOGY is issued. If you can make that happen, then yea I am sure I can get it done. If not, then I am not wasting my time or you or this anymore.
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And just so there is NO CONFUSION here, I don't expect that to happen, and that doesn't mean I am accusing anyone here. Don't get it twisted, just pointing out the fact that since there is nothing that could be done at this point, just saying that is something. And I will even say, if I was someone from the RH side, I would NOT want to do that in any case.
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Riverheads 29 Stuarts Draft 28 Final

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GLADIATOR.BEAVER said:
Was at the game rewatched several times and can only find 2 instances where the clock added time. The officials clearly stated to both teams and stopped the game and told the press box to add the time and what to the correct time should be. Gunz has EVIDENCE but will not post it. Then states you have to have a clock in the video which NFHS does. Clearly he is watching hudl since is video has no clock but hudl cuts as soon as the play is over and resumes as soon as the next one starts so you see nothing in between like the officials adding time. You say it was dishonest yet no EVIDENCE was posted just one ultra superior intelligent beings opinion. Then he wants to explain it in wrestling terms like a know it all explaining it to a child. I'm just glad his team will have a couple of extra weeks of wrestling before riverheads gets on the mats. That seems to be an every year thing though doesn't it.
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Well now you want to continue, while I wanted to bow out. Maybe Riverheads Hudl doesn't show the clock, but I can guarantee you SDs does.

As for Wrestling, that was said because the one that it was being discussed with at the time said he COACHES Wrestling.

As far as starting other sports early yada yada yada, real classy.

Now you actually want to start talking about the team and the kids. Again REAL CLASSY.

I won't stoop to that level.

Again, believe me if you want, I really don't give a shit now. If you saw the video, you would try to walk around it anyway.

As for the rest of your message, yep you will find 2 instances of time being put on the clock. If you have even a SHRED of honesty in you, and you don't FREELY admit that even right on NFHS (forget Hudl and endzone cameras, etc) that Riverheads 2nd play of the last drive (1st play was a scramble that the QB goes out of bounds with 2:07 left in game. The VERY NEXT PLAY, RH runs for 14 yards and ONE SECOND comes off the clock. That is CLEAR no matter where it is viewed from.

As for the others, you can do your own work if you really want to see it. The 2 schools are separated by 8.7 miles. I will not do the work for you. If it actually made a difference if you saw it, then maybe. But my guess is you would just change the subject, so GTFOH with it. Or better yet, how about this, obviously nothing is going to change the outcome of this game. So IF I get you this evidence, since it is available, once it is proven, then not just from you but others as well, a PUBLIC APOLOGY is issued. If you can make that happen, then yea I am sure I can get it done. If not, then I am not wasting my time or you or this anymore.
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Riverheads 29 Stuarts Draft 28 Final

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Go to http://12ft.io & copy and paste this link below to get past the paywall

defector.com

How An Imported State Champion Blew Up Virginia High School Football | Defector

Administrators at Hayfield Secondary School in Alexandria, Va., set out late last year to create a football powerhouse. The principal and athletic director, both new to the school, recruited the coach from Freedom High School, a school located in a neighboring county that had claimed the state...
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Riverheads 29 Stuarts Draft 28 Final

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longtimerhsfan said:
That Hayfield thread has 277 responses, so can you give us a capsule version of what is going on?
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It is impossible to put all that is going on with this situation into one "capsule version". Here are some key points:
1. Anywhere from 20-30 transfers from Freedom (Woodbridge) along with most of Overton's coaching staff moving to Hayfield with several coaches being given jobs in the building.
2. Lady in charge of vetting the transfers is suddenly transferred to another school when she speaks up.
3. Numerous parents allege things from coaches bullying players to being offered money to let the transfers use their address.
4. FCPS investigates and finds nothing wrong.
5. VHSL investigates and puts out a two year playoff ban.
6. Two groups of parents sue and a judge allows a last minute injunction (three hours before the playoffs are scheduled to start) to let Hayfield back in the playoffs.
7. Six coaches in Hayfield's region protest to the FCPS Superintendent and threaten to forfeit playoff games.
8. Superintendent calls those coaches in and alleges racism.

There is lots and lots more. This has been brewing since August. Multiple articles in the Fairfax Times and InsideNOVA, as well as other print and TV media. Best summation is an article on a site called Defector, but it is a very, very long read (and now it appears to be behind a paywall).

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How An Imported State Champion Blew Up Virginia High School Football | Defector

Administrators at Hayfield Secondary School in Alexandria, Va., set out late last year to create a football powerhouse. The principal and athletic director, both new to the school, recruited the coach from Freedom High School, a school located in a neighboring county that had claimed the state...
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Pick em Playoffs Week 2

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South Co.
Fairfax

Huguenot
Shenandoah
Dinwiddie
Tuscarora
Hampton
GW Danville
John Champe

Matoaca
Green Run
William Fleming
Briar Woods
King's Fork
Stone Bridge

William Byrd
Turner Ashby
Kettle Run
LCA
Magna Vista
TJ Richmond
IC Norcom

Colonial Forge
Highland Springs
GW Liberty
Oscar Smith
Battlefield
James Madison

King William
Radford
Poquoson
Buckingham
Strasburg
Union
Graham

Buffalo Gap
George Wythe Wytheville
Rye Cove
Eastside
Essex
Bath County
Altavista
Rappahanock
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Hayfield

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As a former elected school board member in the state of Virginia, I can tell you firsthand there is no all-emcompassing shield law. One of the first things they taught us at orientation was all the things we could be rightfully sued for. Misfeasance,
Malfeasance, and nonfeasance. Now, they can't be sued because their decisions hurt your feelings. For that, you need to vote them out.
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Riverheads 29 Stuarts Draft 28 Final

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WP02alum said:
I’m certainly not worked up about the result. Doesn’t impact me at all. But the whole “let’s all be honest with each other” part is pretty important to me in general. Haven’t seen a single RHS fan acknowledge the actual concerns @Gunz41 brings up (that seem totally valid).

As an outsider aware of the arguments about Riverheads intentionally gaming the system to stay in Class 1, this feels like another marker regarding dishonesty surrounding this school.
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Was at the game rewatched several times and can only find 2 instances where the clock added time. The officials clearly stated to both teams and stopped the game and told the press box to add the time and what to the correct time should be. Gunz has EVIDENCE but will not post it. Then states you have to have a clock in the video which NFHS does. Clearly he is watching hudl since is video has no clock but hudl cuts as soon as the play is over and resumes as soon as the next one starts so you see nothing in between like the officials adding time. You say it was dishonest yet no EVIDENCE was posted just one ultra superior intelligent beings opinion. Then he wants to explain it in wrestling terms like a know it all explaining it to a child. I'm just glad his team will have a couple of extra weeks of wrestling before riverheads gets on the mats. That seems to be an every year thing though doesn't it.
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Skeered of own shaddow not tha Gmen

Hokie1Pokie
If jeffi dummer is ded then it wuz Fred bunny. 1 of dem ole cereal killas out thar. U ain't tuff if you kill a man over a bole of cereal any how. Neva understood y men kill over cereals. Dam bole of frosty lakes ain't Dat good. Should be sumthin like steak or rib killas but cereal. Come on man, Dedazzz
Gmen ain't skeered of nun of em. Cereal killa stake killa, pork ribs killa, nun of em
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Thoughts on Region A

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Essex can pick the score against Middlesex. Middlesex has a really great RB in Jacquan Griffin, who has close to 2K yards and over 30 TDs, but he's the only weapon they have. The Middlesex defense is pretty bad though. They give up over 30 points a game, including 72 to Rappahannock earlier in the season. Essex 56 Middlesex 14

As for Rapp vs Westmoreland, I think the difference in these two teams is in the trenches. Westmoreland will need to force turnovers and get ahead early, if they want a different outcome than the previous 2 games. Rappahannock 42 Westmoreland 20
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Salem at GW

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Always a difficult argument strictly because you don't come to Salem with the expectation of being a stat monster. It's not like playing for Harless or Highfill where they find a runner they like and give them the ball 400 times a season or what SR did with Overstreet. Most games Salem plays don't end up close so the foot is often off the gas by the start of the third quarter and you're yanked after a series or so anyway so you have to get what you get early most games and you do that splitting carries and, if Salem has a capable QB, with some intermittent passing which, due to your success running the ball, is likely going for big chunks. Thinking of this season, the Blacksburg game was a good example (or CS, trying to remember). Persinger got two carries that game, they went for 158 yards and two TDs but still, he only got to do a little. You can imagine if he'd gotten 10-12 touches he probably could have at least pulled 300 yards.

Ramsey had a fairly unique situation. Luke Owens goes down with a severe injury in week 8 and Ramsey gets 7 games where he is probably 75% of the offense and it pays off gangbusters as he goes for 1500+ yards on about 130 carries and snagged 20 TDs along the way. That was a great Salem team, make no mistake, but it was easy to see from a fan's perspective that all Salem had to do to win state was just keep feeding him.

But realistically, that's just not going to happen. Even Persinger this year, his success has been really good but Arrington is a force in his own right and McAdden can come in as well and pick up yards (those two will do great things next season). It's just rare for a Salem TB to be leaned on so heavily so the stats just don't always bear it out like you'd think when we talk about these all-timers at Salem.
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Hayfield back in the playoffs...maybe not

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VolNation85 said:
One thing I find interesting about the potential boycott is that it is public knowledge that at least 3 of the coaches named in the boycotting letter have benefited from athletes transferring and playing for teams they have coached in the past in Fairfax County. Not saying it's right or wrong but I do find it interesting that those same coaches would now complain abut Hayfield benefiting from transfer athletes.
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I don't believe the complaints are about transfers. Transfers happen all the time. The questions are three fold, were rules followed, were there actual violations overlooked or tried to be swept under the rug and did FCPS do anything of substance to oversee the process and actually address complaints and questions raised?
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Salem at GW

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salemborn said:
I'm also old and saw just about everyone that's been mentioned. Historically, with few exceptions, Salem has been able to field a pretty good tailback. The top of list is a three person discussion in my opinion. Parker, Haley, and Ramsey. If you picked any of the three anyone would be hard pressed to make an argument to the contrary. I think the real debate starts at number four. A number of names have been mentioned and all worthy. I'd like to add one, Jomo Nelson. At just about any other time in the programs history Nelson would have been a three year starter at tailback but he and Parker were in the same class. When Parker was injured and missed the majority of his senior year, Nelson stepped in, rushed for north of 1,400 yards in ten games, behind what we will politely say was not the best offensive line, with no passing game to keep the defense honest, was the district offensive player of the year, all while playing outside backer full time on defense. Was he the top of "tier 2"? Maybe, maybe not but I think he should in the conversation.
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I just can't believe you leave Peyton Lewis off your list. By far, most highly recruited.
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King George @ Dinwiddie

BleedingNavy
I do not believe this game will be a blow out, but I do see Dinwiddie winning.

Something no one ever mentions about the Generals is their conditioning. Just like Dinwiddie last season King George plays a lot of people both ways, especially their studs. Dinwiddie's pounding running game and the natural sod has a way of wearing teams down.
Both Matoaca and Powhatan kids cramped up starting halfway through the third quarter. Thought we were going to have to get out the magic sponge.

What a great weekend for Region B football and Class 4 in general. A lot of good matchups.
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Salem at GW

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cutnjump said:
Just my opinion but, Marcus Parker without injury is at least in the biggest "what if" discussion but, as time rolls on only old timers are likely to remember. Sadly, Marcus' "what if" was beyond his control while Ramsey's was self inflicted.
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I'm also old and saw just about everyone that's been mentioned. Historically, with few exceptions, Salem has been able to field a pretty good tailback. The top of the list is a three person discussion in my opinion. Parker, Haley, and Ramsey. If you picked any of the three anyone would be hard pressed to make an argument to the contrary. I think the real debate starts at number four. A number of names have been mentioned and all worthy. I'd like to add one, Jomo Nelson. At just about any other time in the programs history Nelson would have been a three year starter at tailback but he and Parker were in the same class. When Parker was injured and missed the majority of his senior year, Nelson stepped in, rushed for north of 1,400 yards in ten games, behind what we will politely say was not the best offensive line, with no passing game to keep the defense honest, was the district offensive player of the year, all while playing outside backer full time on defense. Was he the top of "tier 2"? Maybe, maybe not but I think he should be in the conversation.
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Hayfield

falcettik
mrhonda said:
I live in North Carolina, but graduated from Hermitage High School in Richmond. So, I've been following this with interest. We have four major transfer portal teams and they pretty much dominate the playoffs every year, so it's become rather boring. You have these teams nationwide every year, but from what I see, what coach Overton has done is over the top for a public school. In that one long article posted, it indicated that it's not only how he gets his players, but how he never takes his foot off the gas, even when leading by 60 with a running clock. Actually, with how he wants to do things, he probably shouldn't be coaching in pubic schools but at a private. But, of course, he probably wouldn't be able to bully other private schools like he apparently does with the publics. I don't know anything about the teams he's playing but according to Calpreps and Massey, Hayfield isn't even on the radar of very top teams. I picked a few of our top teams and did a simulation through both Massey and Calpreps. All the teams I did was 4A. I included Charlotte Catholic as they do play public schools as members of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association. Following the below scores, I included some scores from the major privates in North Carolina.

Massey (State Playoff Seeding in Parentheses)

Charlotte Catholic (8) - Catholic 39 Hayfield 14

Mallard Creek (13) -Mallard Creek 44 Hayfield 12

Independence (21) - Independence 44 Hayfield 17

Rolesville (5 East Region) - Rolesville 48 Hayfield 20

Grimsley (1) - Grimsley 48 Hayfield 14

Weddington (2) - Weddington 42 Hayfield 7

Hough (5) - Hough 48 Hayfield 12



Calpreps

Charlotte Catholic 34 Hayfield 24

Mallard Creek 42 Hayfield 17

Independence 44 Hayfield 24

Rolesville 48 Hayfield 27

Grimsley 48 Hayfield 20

Weddington 48 Hayfield 17

Hough 52 Hayfield 14


Privates (these were done with Massey. I'd think you'd pretty much have the idea)

Hayfield 38 Charlotte Country Day 20

Charlotte Christian 42 Hayfield 18

Hayfield 35 Charlotte Latin 20

Providence Day 42 Hayfield 13
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While I do appreciate the comparison, this year's Hayfield is, as you are well aware, a PME All-Star team and nothing like the Hayfield of the past several decades. Both Massey and Cal Preps use algorithms that incorporate historical trends and data, so the results are a bit inaccurate. Still good to hear your take.
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Hayfield back in the playoffs...maybe not

VolNation85
One thing I find interesting about the potential boycott is that it is public knowledge that at least 3 of the coaches named in the boycotting letter have benefited from athletes transferring and playing for teams they have coached in the past in Fairfax County. Not saying it's right or wrong but I do find it interesting that those same coaches would now complain abut Hayfield benefiting from transfer athletes.
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