If Giles were playing Nottoway this week I doubt anyone would be picking Nottoway except Nottoway. Some of you prognosticators would have Giles by a mile. Even with a total domination over a fantastic team like Giles at home, not many are picking Glenvar which is surprising to me. Why is that? Is it denial that Glenvar could possibly be that good or that the win against Giles was just a fluke? or....something else???
Giles vs. Nottoway
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Can anyone explain the meetings between Giles and Glenvar this season. I can never remember any football team, high school or otherwise get smoked for their only loss of the season 33-0 and meet the same team only 22 days later and give them virtually the same whippin. Looks like somebody did their homework and somebody expected another cakewalk. I think Glenvar will beat Nottoway. It looks like the fluke was the regular season loss to Giles.
All of the pain and heart break of a 20 game losing streak to your rival, was just erased by winning 1 game. What do you think Glenvar and Giles will remember the most? The 20 loses or wins or This game. They now have the formula to beat Giles, Can they do it again? To be continued.
Rematches suck
I have seen this happen before. They team that loses first game has an advantage in the 2nd meeting. They can review film, make adjustments, etc. The winner of first game has really nothing to build on and often is over confident. It's easier to learn from a loss than a win.
If Glenvar prepares properly I think they beat Nottoway, providing they are not still celebrating their win over Giles.
See Virginia Tech @ Wake Forest. Hokies beat Duke, then go to WF and lay an egg.
I have seen this happen before. They team that loses first game has an advantage in the 2nd meeting. They can review film, make adjustments, etc. The winner of first game has really nothing to build on and often is over confident. It's easier to learn from a loss than a win.
If Glenvar prepares properly I think they beat Nottoway, providing they are not still celebrating their win over Giles.
See Virginia Tech @ Wake Forest. Hokies beat Duke, then go to WF and lay an egg.
Probably a mix of adjustments and overconfidence, really not that surprising when you have beat someone 20 straight prior. Also, I believe you will find Glenvar played the first game missing several guys due to injuries. Both scores were probably flukes and were they to play again it would be a very competitive, close game.
This year's Spartan team was full of seniors. I hate to say it, but next year's game against Glenvar may have an even worse outcome for Giles, and it will be played at Glenvar.
As for Glenvar's chances against Nottoway, I think Glenvar may have spent too much time preparing for Giles. Fundamentals will carry over against Nottoway, but unless Nottoway is similar to Giles, they only have a week to get ready.
As for Glenvar's chances against Nottoway, I think Glenvar may have spent too much time preparing for Giles. Fundamentals will carry over against Nottoway, but unless Nottoway is similar to Giles, they only have a week to get ready.
One example
Not quite as bad but in 2000. Liberty Bedford defeated Rustburg 28-10 in week 7. Met again for the regional championship and Rustburg won 44-7 on their way to the Division 3 state championship. Neither game was as close as the final score indicated. Liberty dominated the first game and Rustburg more than dominated the second game. With high school kids, a lot can happen in a matter of weeks. Giles kids may have really thought they'd roll Glenvar and once Glenvar got up and got momentum, Giles was unable to find a way to respond, from there I think it became a domino effect. Lack of focus, lack of heart on that particular day. For Glenvar-Giles I think they are more even in terms of ability than either final score of their meetings indicates. If they played 10 times, I'd take Giles 6-7 times. Just so happens that last weekend, Glenvar played great and Giles didn't have an answer. As far as this weeks game, Nottoway is one of the most underrated teams in 2A all year, haven't gotten as much respect as they should have. Add to that, Glenvar may still be really high from that win over Giles and I'm also a guy whose taking Nottoway to get the win. Should be close but Nottoway's athleticism across the board will challenge Glenvar, whichever teams wins the turnover battle should win.
Not quite as bad but in 2000. Liberty Bedford defeated Rustburg 28-10 in week 7. Met again for the regional championship and Rustburg won 44-7 on their way to the Division 3 state championship. Neither game was as close as the final score indicated. Liberty dominated the first game and Rustburg more than dominated the second game. With high school kids, a lot can happen in a matter of weeks. Giles kids may have really thought they'd roll Glenvar and once Glenvar got up and got momentum, Giles was unable to find a way to respond, from there I think it became a domino effect. Lack of focus, lack of heart on that particular day. For Glenvar-Giles I think they are more even in terms of ability than either final score of their meetings indicates. If they played 10 times, I'd take Giles 6-7 times. Just so happens that last weekend, Glenvar played great and Giles didn't have an answer. As far as this weeks game, Nottoway is one of the most underrated teams in 2A all year, haven't gotten as much respect as they should have. Add to that, Glenvar may still be really high from that win over Giles and I'm also a guy whose taking Nottoway to get the win. Should be close but Nottoway's athleticism across the board will challenge Glenvar, whichever teams wins the turnover battle should win.
Re: One example
Same thing happened with Riverheads and Stonewall Jackson when Richard Long was playing for the generals... The first meeting, Richard Long was unstoppable, and then they met in the playoffs and Riverheads beat them.
Same thing happened with Riverheads and Stonewall Jackson when Richard Long was playing for the generals... The first meeting, Richard Long was unstoppable, and then they met in the playoffs and Riverheads beat them.
I've heard this about 20 times before and Giles always kicks Glenvars butt! Giles was over confident and they really just came into this game flat and got whipped as a result! Nottoway and Glenvar will likely be little to no scoring and could be 0 to 0 in regulation. Still not sold that Glenvar has any kind of offense to speak of!
Re: Rematches suck
Yeah HR6 You might have a point there. But a well coached team looks at game film as well and knows what worked the first time and doesn't go back overconfident against a good team. Someone mentioned Glenvar was missing some key players the first time around also. VaTech is a bad example to use in this instance to compare. Just look two games into this season...Ohio St. and East Carolina.
Yeah HR6 You might have a point there. But a well coached team looks at game film as well and knows what worked the first time and doesn't go back overconfident against a good team. Someone mentioned Glenvar was missing some key players the first time around also. VaTech is a bad example to use in this instance to compare. Just look two games into this season...Ohio St. and East Carolina.
hows this
theres plenty of things to think about....first and foremost is the fact that seeing the single wing as an opposing team for the first time is hard to figure out.....now Glenvar got to see it twice in 3 weeks.....was Giles overconfident...I can tell you that the fans were...this one included....we were in the stands thinking about how Brunswick might be hungry for a rematch..now throw in that Glenvar made changes and Giles didn't change (why would they it was 33-0 3 weeks before).....Now 4 or 5 starters back for glenvar ....Giles ate Glenvar QB first time...not the second....Glenvar caught several great pass and catches....more than usual by most high school standards....Now lets just say for argument that the squib kick goes through and Giles goes into half down 14-0....Granted Glenvar held Giles scoreless which is rare..could part of that be because Giles was in a bit of panic mode.....but 14-0 and getting the second half kickoff seems like a reasonable comeback.....but the squib bounced to Glenvar....Great pass/catch and stupid defense by Giles gives Glenvar a TD....kickoff and what most believe was a bad fumble call and that's another TD...28-0......hard to get it together after that.....Glenvar has a good team or they wouldn't be there....but in my honest opinion if this Giles team had played any other team that hadn't seen them this year they probably win and advance....lots of ifs and buts there folks....and none of it matters....Glenvar played an absolute great game against Giles....If they play like that they have and excellent chance of winning....now if you feel slighted as a Glenvar fan because of the picks of folks on here.....just help lift your team to victory.....hell I felt slighted all year by FFE and the Roanoke Times...You guys got two pages Sunday....one article was more than Giles had all year added together.....Just win and you will get what you want.....to the victor goes the spoils.....goodluck......GO GILES
This post was edited on 12/3 8:39 PM by ghs89er
This post was edited on 12/3 8:41 PM by ghs89er
theres plenty of things to think about....first and foremost is the fact that seeing the single wing as an opposing team for the first time is hard to figure out.....now Glenvar got to see it twice in 3 weeks.....was Giles overconfident...I can tell you that the fans were...this one included....we were in the stands thinking about how Brunswick might be hungry for a rematch..now throw in that Glenvar made changes and Giles didn't change (why would they it was 33-0 3 weeks before).....Now 4 or 5 starters back for glenvar ....Giles ate Glenvar QB first time...not the second....Glenvar caught several great pass and catches....more than usual by most high school standards....Now lets just say for argument that the squib kick goes through and Giles goes into half down 14-0....Granted Glenvar held Giles scoreless which is rare..could part of that be because Giles was in a bit of panic mode.....but 14-0 and getting the second half kickoff seems like a reasonable comeback.....but the squib bounced to Glenvar....Great pass/catch and stupid defense by Giles gives Glenvar a TD....kickoff and what most believe was a bad fumble call and that's another TD...28-0......hard to get it together after that.....Glenvar has a good team or they wouldn't be there....but in my honest opinion if this Giles team had played any other team that hadn't seen them this year they probably win and advance....lots of ifs and buts there folks....and none of it matters....Glenvar played an absolute great game against Giles....If they play like that they have and excellent chance of winning....now if you feel slighted as a Glenvar fan because of the picks of folks on here.....just help lift your team to victory.....hell I felt slighted all year by FFE and the Roanoke Times...You guys got two pages Sunday....one article was more than Giles had all year added together.....Just win and you will get what you want.....to the victor goes the spoils.....goodluck......GO GILES
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Re: hows this
Don't feel slighted at all ghs89. Glenvar has to win in order to get the respect and that was just one game. I was just a little surprised that most people who would pick Giles to win big over Nottoway picked Nottoway over Glenvar. Just trying to figure out why. I doubt most of these people know much about Nottoway so that must mean they don't think Glenvar can play a game like that again, or the Glenvar team from 3 weeks ago is the one that will show up...or the match ups favor Nottoway.
Nottoway's close loss against Heritage and win against KW says they are pretty tough. I'm looking through rose colored glasses but I still think Glenvar is confident, hungry, healthy, and still humble.
Don't feel slighted at all ghs89. Glenvar has to win in order to get the respect and that was just one game. I was just a little surprised that most people who would pick Giles to win big over Nottoway picked Nottoway over Glenvar. Just trying to figure out why. I doubt most of these people know much about Nottoway so that must mean they don't think Glenvar can play a game like that again, or the Glenvar team from 3 weeks ago is the one that will show up...or the match ups favor Nottoway.
Nottoway's close loss against Heritage and win against KW says they are pretty tough. I'm looking through rose colored glasses but I still think Glenvar is confident, hungry, healthy, and still humble.
To be totally honest......several equal
Here are 5 teams I see as being able to beat any of the other four at any given Friday this year.....Glenvar...Giles...Union...Gate City...Richlands....in my opinion all very equal.....there could be arguments about others and im not typing into detail but that's what I see....hoping for the best for the west,,,,,,,,,,,GO GILES
Here are 5 teams I see as being able to beat any of the other four at any given Friday this year.....Glenvar...Giles...Union...Gate City...Richlands....in my opinion all very equal.....there could be arguments about others and im not typing into detail but that's what I see....hoping for the best for the west,,,,,,,,,,,GO GILES
I saw Glenvar play Radford and Giles twice. Against Radford and Giles 1, Clifford wasn't that accurate on longer throws. Giles 2 he was spot on. Part of that I think was not much pass rush by Giles. I think Glenvar rises and falls on his accuracy. I said for the last 6 weeks that Giles needed to work on 10-15 yard passes to counteract 9 guys in the box. Whether they worked on it or not, we only tried it once or twice, Glenvar put 9 guys in the box and played solid defense and not enough blockers to go around. Lee put all 11 in the box in the 2nd half and still couldn't stop the run so we only threw one pass against them for a TD. That game was hyped as being a tough game and really wasn't and that coupled with the big win earlier against Glenvar 3 weeks before was a setup for what happened. Glenvar played great and Giles didn't. I look for Richlands to win it all.
Re: One example
I think the #1 key to this game is whether or not Glenvar will still be celebrating win over Giles.
#2 key will be can Glenvar pass the ball against Nottoway.
I think the #1 key to this game is whether or not Glenvar will still be celebrating win over Giles.
#2 key will be can Glenvar pass the ball against Nottoway.
Re: hows this
Glenvar plays good defense and made plays on offense. I'd be afraid of an emotional letdown if I were them. Reminds me of VT-Ohio State. To VT, that WAS their national championship and the season went downhill from there. Hopefully for Glenvar, the kids aren't thinking that now since they beat 27-0 Giles.
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Glenvar plays good defense and made plays on offense. I'd be afraid of an emotional letdown if I were them. Reminds me of VT-Ohio State. To VT, that WAS their national championship and the season went downhill from there. Hopefully for Glenvar, the kids aren't thinking that now since they beat 27-0 Giles.
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Re: hows this
IMO: I personally am not sold on Glenvar as posted below. Certainly beating Giles is a big deal and Glenvar deserved it, they played great football. Perhaps this Nottoway game is a "blessing" for Glenvar simply because Nottoway does not score many points either. Withthat said, may be Glenvar gets by this game with Nottoway, but I think Glenvar does not have enough offense to compete with a better offensive team, so I think this may be why people aren't picking Glenvar as much. The Glenvar vs Giles game really only points to 3 or 4 big plays on offense with no significant running game. If a team such as Nottoway can limit these big plays, then Glenvar has no where else to go for offense (evident in first two play off games) and would definitely rely on defense to win (as they should becaues their defense is good). As they say defense wins championships, however I do think you have to have some offense to go with it and the big question for me is: can Glenvar make enough big plays down the field to make a difference? Only time will tell and from what I hear an atheletic team such as Nottoway might be very tough to get big plays on. I also see a 90% chance of rain in the forecast, so this will also be an issue trying to throw the ball down the field! Just my thoughts!
IMO: I personally am not sold on Glenvar as posted below. Certainly beating Giles is a big deal and Glenvar deserved it, they played great football. Perhaps this Nottoway game is a "blessing" for Glenvar simply because Nottoway does not score many points either. Withthat said, may be Glenvar gets by this game with Nottoway, but I think Glenvar does not have enough offense to compete with a better offensive team, so I think this may be why people aren't picking Glenvar as much. The Glenvar vs Giles game really only points to 3 or 4 big plays on offense with no significant running game. If a team such as Nottoway can limit these big plays, then Glenvar has no where else to go for offense (evident in first two play off games) and would definitely rely on defense to win (as they should becaues their defense is good). As they say defense wins championships, however I do think you have to have some offense to go with it and the big question for me is: can Glenvar make enough big plays down the field to make a difference? Only time will tell and from what I hear an atheletic team such as Nottoway might be very tough to get big plays on. I also see a 90% chance of rain in the forecast, so this will also be an issue trying to throw the ball down the field! Just my thoughts!
Re: hows this
No disrespect to anyone still playing, but I am not impressed with anyone left in 2A. I think there are 1A teams this year that would mop the field with the 2s.
No disrespect to anyone still playing, but I am not impressed with anyone left in 2A. I think there are 1A teams this year that would mop the field with the 2s.
Re: hows this
Bottom line....
Glenvar did what they needed to do to get the win against Giles. So what if they had 3 or 4 big plays or they had 3 or 4 long drives. They won and that is all that matters during this part of the season. They are playing this weekend, not Giles. Why is everyone worried about Giles and how they would stack up against Nottoway? They lost, end of the story.
This should be a good game. Even in the rain, the run game will be even, and possibly slow down the over all team speed of Nottoway, and when either team passes, it will be an advantage to them, their WR know when to cut, the DB does not.
Bottom line....
Glenvar did what they needed to do to get the win against Giles. So what if they had 3 or 4 big plays or they had 3 or 4 long drives. They won and that is all that matters during this part of the season. They are playing this weekend, not Giles. Why is everyone worried about Giles and how they would stack up against Nottoway? They lost, end of the story.
This should be a good game. Even in the rain, the run game will be even, and possibly slow down the over all team speed of Nottoway, and when either team passes, it will be an advantage to them, their WR know when to cut, the DB does not.
Re: one major problem....giles AIN'T PLAYING.....
The perfect response. Giles ain't playing. So put the sniffling towels away and deal with it. You blew it. So don't sit around wondering what it would be like. You ain't there.
The perfect response. Giles ain't playing. So put the sniffling towels away and deal with it. You blew it. So don't sit around wondering what it would be like. You ain't there.
So HR6...
You aren't impressed with any teams left? Were you impressed by teams who lost to these teams? I know you are a big spread fan, as am I honestly. But defense wins championships. It's no secret that's why 3 of the 4 teams left in 2A are still playing
You aren't impressed with any teams left? Were you impressed by teams who lost to these teams? I know you are a big spread fan, as am I honestly. But defense wins championships. It's no secret that's why 3 of the 4 teams left in 2A are still playing
WHEN YOU ONLY RUN.....
the single wing, it hurts when you cant make adjustments. How many time has Giles had to come from behind in a game? Do they have the offense to do that? If you are getting beat as bad as Giles was in the Glenvar game, why not come out in the second have and pass more? Because they can't. Single wing is great when you are playing with a lead, when you get down. YOUR DONE.
the single wing, it hurts when you cant make adjustments. How many time has Giles had to come from behind in a game? Do they have the offense to do that? If you are getting beat as bad as Giles was in the Glenvar game, why not come out in the second have and pass more? Because they can't. Single wing is great when you are playing with a lead, when you get down. YOUR DONE.
Re: WHEN YOU ONLY RUN.....
Win by the sword and die by the sword. Glenvar coaches knew that if they got up by 3 scores they could run out the clock in the 2nd half on a team like Giles. That's whey you saw the 89 yd td pass on first play and the long td pass with 14 sec in the 1st half. I thought Giles came out and tried to pass some in the 2nd half and actually had a couple of wide open receivers but the Giles QB couldn't get the ball anywhere close. Not the the kids fault but Giles should work diligently on a couple of pass plays in case they need them.
Win by the sword and die by the sword. Glenvar coaches knew that if they got up by 3 scores they could run out the clock in the 2nd half on a team like Giles. That's whey you saw the 89 yd td pass on first play and the long td pass with 14 sec in the 1st half. I thought Giles came out and tried to pass some in the 2nd half and actually had a couple of wide open receivers but the Giles QB couldn't get the ball anywhere close. Not the the kids fault but Giles should work diligently on a couple of pass plays in case they need them.
Re: WHEN YOU ONLY RUN.....
They put together a perfect game plan. Like you said from the opening play of the game. When your getting beat like that, it would be nice to have some type of adjustments you could make at half time. IF it aint working in the 1st half, it just might not work in the 2nd half. It wasn't working.
They put together a perfect game plan. Like you said from the opening play of the game. When your getting beat like that, it would be nice to have some type of adjustments you could make at half time. IF it aint working in the 1st half, it just might not work in the 2nd half. It wasn't working.
Giles was the undisputed best team in 2A with a fantastic offense and defense. Glenvar rung them up for 300 plus yards in passing and 5 touchdowns. By saying you are not sold that Glenvar has any kind of offense to speak of either defies logic or makes you appear in total denial. Even using the primary reason that Giles was overconfident still doesn't explain Giles not getting into the red zone even once, or Glenvar marching up and down the field at will. Glenvar started burning the clock late in the 3rd or it could have been even worse. The other question I would have is when was the last time Giles was shut out or lost by 35 points? I bet it has been a long time. Over confident, flat, looking ahead, Glenvar playing perfectly might be secondary reasons but there has to be more to it than that.
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Re: hows this
Observing...you make some good points but I actually think Glenvar is very well balanced offensively and can do it all. They have both the short and long pass given good O line protection. Now they have their oline guys healthy and showed it against Giles. They also have a very good running game and have used it all year. Giles chose to stop the run game at the expense of getting burned in the pass game. That was the only reason Smith and Manns yards were limited. Even after getting burned, I didn't see Giles adjust their defense much. They still stacked the box.
Glenvar play calls were made based on what the defense was giving them. I would have to say that Glenvars coaches play calling was about as perfect as the execution. Hope that continues with Nottoway and I think it will. Glenvar seems to be on a mission from what I see. They are playing for not only themselves but for the community, former players, and their coaches. That reminds me of Giles.
Observing...you make some good points but I actually think Glenvar is very well balanced offensively and can do it all. They have both the short and long pass given good O line protection. Now they have their oline guys healthy and showed it against Giles. They also have a very good running game and have used it all year. Giles chose to stop the run game at the expense of getting burned in the pass game. That was the only reason Smith and Manns yards were limited. Even after getting burned, I didn't see Giles adjust their defense much. They still stacked the box.
Glenvar play calls were made based on what the defense was giving them. I would have to say that Glenvars coaches play calling was about as perfect as the execution. Hope that continues with Nottoway and I think it will. Glenvar seems to be on a mission from what I see. They are playing for not only themselves but for the community, former players, and their coaches. That reminds me of Giles.
OK...You asked this question and then you catch feelings when someone answers and gives their opinion....Glenvar played an almost perfect game against Giles...preceded by a 47 yrd outing....see the dilemma....Now that being said as I have stated many times all that matters is head to head...maybe Giles defense against the run is great...the next team may have a terrible run defense and a good pass defense.....Truth is Glenvar completed some very good passes for giant gains....over 200 of those 300 yrds were on 3 plays...without those three plays and a bad fumble call its a one touchdown outing....If Glenvar connects on those types of plays they could beat anybody...If they connect like the first Giles game they wont win....IMHO Glenvar looked like two different teams in the two games....but for observinthegame to be suspect of Glenvars offense is his honest opinion...also the week before this game Lee almost completed 3 long TD passes....some of which seemed to be caught by us in the stands but were knocked out by our defenders on the last second....that Lee score could have been much closer...same type of passes that Glenvar threw and completed...I have said this for years....In high school football if you can consistently do something with success you win....Glenvar threw with success....most high school teams cant complete long passes with consistency....Glenvar has a good defense...and maybe enough offense...that's what I say about it...hell I wish em luck...I wished some of their fans and team luck as I left last week...If they play like last week I believe they win...simple as that...but that's a hard level to maintain...but that's how championships are won....but don't get mad because you asked the question and a Giles fan gives his opinion of how hes not sold on your offense...you have to admit that you looked like two different teams...hell your offensive output was 7 times that of the first game....wish you luck...GO GILES
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Re: So HR6...
I agree defense wins championships. But truthfully I am not impressed with any teams who do not run the spread, other than Giles.
I agree defense wins championships. But truthfully I am not impressed with any teams who do not run the spread, other than Giles.
Re-match was the problem
If this game had not been a rematch, Giles would have won. re-matches suck, should not be allowed until state championship game, unless there's no way around it.
If this game had not been a rematch, Giles would have won. re-matches suck, should not be allowed until state championship game, unless there's no way around it.
Re: Re-match was the problem
Seems like there was no way around it. Rematches happen in all sports all the time. Win and move on.
Seems like there was no way around it. Rematches happen in all sports all the time. Win and move on.
