Region B Final

[Gunz41]

1. Clarke County (9-1): 27.0
2. Central Woodstock (10-0): 26.4
3. Robert E. Lee (9-1): 26.1
4. Luray (9-1): 25.6
5. East Rockingham (7-3): 22.4
6. George Mason (6-4): 20.33
7. Buffalo Gap (6-4): 19.9
8. Strasburg (5-5): 18.8

9. Stuarts Draft (5-5): 18.5

(8) Strasburg at (1) Clarke County
(5) East Rockingham at (4) Luray
(6) George Mason at (3) Robert E. Lee
(7) Buffalo Gap at (2) Central Woodstock

 

[HS-SportsFan]

Looks like the 2nd and 3rd rounds should have some great games to watch.

 

[pizzzzza]

I still have a hard time with unbeaten Central being the #2 seed - especially since they whipped #1 Clarke County 40-0.

And Luray #4 beat #3 Lee but are still seeded lower.

The winner of this region will have earned it!

 

[HS-SportsFan]

I still have a hard time with unbeaten Central being the #2 seed - especially since they whipped #1 Clarke County 40-0.

And Luray #4 beat #3 Lee but are still seeded lower.



The winner of this region will have earned it!

Other than beating Riverheads, Central played an extremely weak out of district schedule. Bonus points have to be earned as well by scheduling and beating better teams that might actually win some games.

 

[pizzzzza]

Other than beating Riverheads, Central played an extremely weak out of district schedule. Central is lucky to not have finished 3rd behind Lee.

But didn't their 40-0 win over Clarke County open up some eyes?

And is it possible that the best team is only seeded #4?

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

Either that game mattered or Clarke is overrated as well. I honestly believe both are good. And I am going to go further out on a limb and say that only Mason and Strasburg are question marks. Any of the other 6 can get hot and win this Region.

 

[HS-SportsFan]

But didn't their 40-0 win over Clarke County open up some eyes?

And is it possible that the best team is only seeded #4?

Certainly did, and I think Central is better than Clarke and would win again. But Central scheduled weak teams that didn't win games and that cost them the #1 seed.

 

[pizzzzza]

I would love to see a Lee-Luray rematch, but the only way that would happen is if both Clarke and Central lost their 2nd round games (assuming they win their 1st round games)

Gap could give Central all they can handle, to be honest - and could have another Leemen/Bison 2nd round rematch as well.

 

[HS-SportsFan]

Either that game mattered or Clarke is overrated as well. I honestly believe both are good. And I am going to go further out on a limb and say that only Mason and Strasburg are question marks. Any of the other 6 can get hot and win this Region.

Both are very good, and the Clarke Central game mattered a lot as it was a district game. But Central hurt themselves with the final points due to a very weak non-district schedule.

 

[longtimerhsfan]

This region will be a dogfight. Having seen just about all of them play, I think Lee and Central are the two best, but then I did not see Luray at full strength. So one of those three should come out of the region. I would not rule out East Rock getting hot. I know I am leaving out Clarke but I just can't get past that 40-0 loss, no matter what the story was behind it.

I don't see Gap having a chance against Central and the other two seem to be out of their league.

 

[obguthr]

This region will be a dogfight. Having seen just about all of them play, I think Lee and Central are the two best, but then I did not see Luray at full strength. So one of those three should come out of the region. I would not rule out East Rock getting hot. I know I am leaving out Clarke but I just can't get past that 40-0 loss, no matter what the story was behind it.

I don't see Gap having a chance against Central and the other two seem to be out of their league.

Lee and Central have the most talent. East Rock is young but has gotten MUCH better week to week. Luray is playing the best ball they have in years and present matchup problems for some teams. Mason is better than usual. I still say Gap can play with anyone. Like you, I have no clue what happened to Clarke against Central. It simply doesn't make sense.

Region A has 2 contenders, maybe only 1 (Poquoson has not looked good lately)
Region C might have 3
Region D has Union and Graham
Region B has probably 7 teams with a legitimate shot

 

[BullRunFootball]

Clarke vs central in a nutshell

Central is good
Clarke had 4 turnovers in 1st half
3 Clarke starters were out for the game due to being hurt week before vs Warren and 2 more went out in 1st qtr vs Central

Add all that up and it snowballed out of control. That is taking nothing away from central as they are very good (big and fast). Clarke is good as well. Getting a few of those injured guys back but not all of them yet. Clarke played a hard out of district schedule and the points show that.

Bottom line is Region B is loaded for the most part

Good luck and stay healthy to all.

 

[saltNlight]

This is going to be a great regional tournament.

1 Clarke vs 8 Strasburg - Clarke should cruise in this one

4 Luray vs 5 East Rock - Always different playing the same team back to back like these two will...and it was a wild game...Luray has slight edge and I think they will win this one

3 Lee vs 6 Mason - Think Lee will win this one fairly easily considering Mason got beat badly by Central and Clarke...and lost to 8 Strasburg

2 Central vs 7 Gap - Central will win but it will be closer than most of their games this year.

1 Clarke vs 4 Luray - this is tough to call because it’s still hard to know what to think of Clarke after that Central shellacking - we know Clarke has good wins but that’s an eyesore of a loss...I think this will be a tough win for Clarke but they win as hosts against a pesky Luray

2 Central vs 3 Lee - I think the winner of this game wins the region. Lee will test Central because of their speed (which Central has plenty of by the way). It’s a toss up but I think Lee will present a unique challenge to Central that they haven’t seen this year...but man, this is a hard one to pick.

1 Clarke vs 3 Lee/2 Central - As I said, I think the winner of Central/Lee wins the whole region. Not discrediting Clarke - they’re certainly good enough to win the region...I just don’t think they will

 

[saltNlight]

By the way, if there is such a thing as “the football gods”, Central will win the region due to the ridiculousness of being a 2 seed after an undefeated season where they beat the 1 seed 40-0 ON THE ROAD. Also, they have a quality win over Riverheads - number 1 in their 1A region.

 

[Hoos19NC]

By the way, if there is such a thing as “the football gods”, Central will win the region due to the ridiculousness of being a 2 seed after an undefeated season where they beat the 1 seed 40-0 ON THE ROAD. Also, they have a quality win over Riverheads - number 1 in their 1A region.

Pretty simple if you want to be #1 play a better schedule.

 

[charlie22650]

Other than beating Riverheads, Central played an extremely weak out of district schedule. Bonus points have to be earned as well by scheduling and beating better teams that might actually win some games.

Clarke played some weak 3-A and weak 4-A teams.They can't beat Riverheads,I've seen them both play,and they are 1-A team.

 

[saltNlight]

By the way, if there is such a thing as “the football gods”, Central will win the region due to the ridiculousness of being a 2 seed after an undefeated season where they beat the 1 seed 40-0 ON THE ROAD. Also, they have a quality win over Riverheads - number 1 in their 1A region.

Pretty simple if you want to be #1 play a better schedule.

Pretty simple - if you get stomped by an undefeated team on your home field 40-0 you shouldn’t get home field advantage through the playoffs.

Just because you play the system and beat average teams from a classification above you does NOT make you the better team.

The goal should be to have the teams seeded according how good they are. It’s such a flawed logic that just because you’ve beat better teams it makes you the better team.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Pretty simple - if you get stomped by an undefeated team on your home field 40-0 you shouldn’t get home field advantage through the playoffs.

Just because you play the system and beat average teams from a classification above you does NOT make you the better team.

The goal should be to have the teams seeded according how good they are. It’s such a flawed logic that just because you’ve beat better teams it makes you the better team.

Well if your coaches and AD know and understand the system ( even if you believe it’s flawed) and they choose not to use it to their advantage it’s your own fault. Don’t blame a school that seemed to understand and use it to their advantage. If you are the best team, and you may very well be, traveling one week shouldn’t be an issue to your long term goal.

 

[saltNlight]

Pretty simple - if you get stomped by an undefeated team on your home field 40-0 you shouldn’t get home field advantage through the playoffs.

Just because you play the system and beat average teams from a classification above you does NOT make you the better team.

The goal should be to have the teams seeded according how good they are. It’s such a flawed logic that just because you’ve beat better teams it makes you the better team.

Well if your coaches and AD know and understand the system ( even if you believe it’s flawed) and they choose not to use it to their advantage it’s your own fault. Don’t blame a school that seemed to understand and use it to their advantage. If you are the best team, and you may very well be, traveling one week shouldn’t be an issue to your long term goal.

And when no one wants to play you? Then what? Just deal with it?

It’s easy for the team that won’t have to travel (potentially) for a game that will determine whether or not they make the state playoffs that “traveling one week shouldn’t be an issue to your long term goal”

 

[saltNlight]

I don’t know if there actually is a solution. But I do think in this instance that Central has a solid argument to be seeded higher. Of course, power points are the name of this particular game though.

 

[Hoos19NC]

I don’t know if there actually is a solution. But I do think in this instance that Central has a solid argument to be seeded higher. Of course, power points are the name of this particular game though.

I understand how you feel but everyone knew the system before game one, this isn’t a surprise.

 

[saltNlight]

I don’t know if there actually is a solution. But I do think in this instance that Central has a solid argument to be seeded higher. Of course, power points are the name of this particular game though.

I understand how you feel but everyone knew the system before game one, this isn’t a surprise.

Just as an aside, I’m not a Central fan - just a high school sports fan.

 

[Boathead]

Union was behind Marion, VA High and Ridgeview for most of the season. Although they played a 5A Kentucky school (3A in VA) who went 0-10, Morristown West 6A in TN (4A in VA) who went 4-6, and Gate City who went 1-9, I understand the ratings and think they are a good format for judging competition.

Union now gets to play a tough Richland's team in first round (Week 2, 16-7 Union) and I know it will be a dogfight. Always has and always will be.

I see your point, it's disappointing, but it does pay to have tougher competition on your schedule and let the chips fall where they may.

I wish all the teams well in the playoffs and hopefully Union will see you down the road.

BTW, Clarke County played a Dominion team this year (4A) that has a bye in the first round of their playoffs. I don't view that as an inferior upper classification opponent.

I have much respect for all the teams remaining this year and good luck to all!

 

[saltNlight]

Would you feel that way if Union was 10-0 and beat Graham 40-0 at Graham...and Graham ended up ranked ahead of Union in the playoffs?

I’m assuming you’re a follower of Union (for my argument sake lol)

 

[Hoos19NC]

Just as an aside, I’m not a Central fan - just a high school sports fan.

And I’m not a Central fan....just pointing out this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. You get rewarded for playing a tougher schedule, I for one think it’s a decent system. Just like college if you play a weak schedule you get to watch the playoffs from home.

 

[HS-SportsFan]

So all these counterarguments to VHSL seeding by points would mean that Strasburg should be seeded ahead of George Mason, as Strasburg beat them, that Luray should be seeded ahead of Lee, as Luray beat them, etc... Boils down to Central came up short on points due to a weaker non-district schedule and finished as 2nd seed.

 

[saltNlight]

So all these counterarguments to VHSL seeding by points would mean that Strasburg should be seeded ahead of George Mason, as Strasburg beat them, that Luray should be seeded ahead of Lee, as Luray beat them, etc... Boils down to Central came up short on points due to a weaker non-district schedule and finished as 2nd seed.

Not the argument I’m making at all. I know we need a point system to determine rankings. I also know that it’s common sense that Central “should” be seeded higher.

I see no reason why we can’t have a committee that votes on seeding so we can do it in a logical way that makes sense.

There’s no question in my mind that if you put 5 people in a room and they vote for seedings...Central finishes 1. Heck, Lee might finish ahead of Clarke in that instance.

 

[HS-SportsFan]

Not the argument I’m making at all. I know we need a point system to determine rankings. I also know that it’s common sense that Central “should” be seeded higher.

I see no reason why we can’t have a committee that votes on seeding so we can do it in a logical way that makes sense.

There’s no question in my mind that if you put 5 people in a room and they vote for seedings...Central finishes 1. Heck, Lee might finish ahead of Clarke in that instance.

Most likely, and in that sense, then Appo would probably be seeded 1 in their region. Not gonna happen though.

 

[saltNlight]

Not the argument I’m making at all. I know we need a point system to determine rankings. I also know that it’s common sense that Central “should” be seeded higher.

I see no reason why we can’t have a committee that votes on seeding so we can do it in a logical way that makes sense.

There’s no question in my mind that if you put 5 people in a room and they vote for seedings...Central finishes 1. Heck, Lee might finish ahead of Clarke in that instance.

Most likely, and in that sense, then Appo would probably be seeded 1 in their region. Not gonna happen though.

Obviously it’s not going to happen - thank you for pointing that out. Doesn’t mean it makes any more sense.

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

Not to jump in here but your argument is to install a subjective system where you involve a room of people that decide this?

That’s silliness in my opinion. I agree that in this case it proves out this way but more times than not the team that accumulated more points through a 10 game season is in fact better. If it gets to that point then this will be settled between the lines. No one likes to play on the road if they don’t have to but good teams travel and win, period. I have said it before and stand by this, if you can’t win against strong competition on the road you won’t win a chip.

 

[saltNlight]

Not to jump in here but your argument is to install a subjective system where you involve a room of people that decide this?

That’s silliness in my opinion. I agree that in this case it proves out this way but more times than not the team that accumulated more points through a 10 game season is in fact better. If it gets to that point then this will be settled between the lines. No one likes to play on the road if they don’t have to but good teams travel and win, period. I have said it before and stand by this, if you can’t win against strong competition on the road you won’t win a chip.

One of the main objectives of the regular season is securing home field. Why? BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT.

 

[BigWinners]

Lee and Central have the most talent. East Rock is young but has gotten MUCH better week to week. Luray is playing the best ball they have in years and present matchup problems for some teams. Mason is better than usual. I still say Gap can play with anyone. Like you, I have no clue what happened to Clarke against Central. It simply doesn't make sense.

Region A has 2 contenders, maybe only 1 (Poquoson has not looked good lately)
Region C might have 3
Region D has Union and Graham
Region B has probably 7 teams with a legitimate shot

I think you underrate C and D some. I think both regions have as many legit teams as the others. I don't believe seven teams from B could win a state title, realistically three just like C. And D, two clear favs and a very good Ridgeview team that could catch fire and scare people. I think 1-5 in Regions C and D are as good if not better than any other region.

 

[RedPrideNation_RollPride]

One of the main objectives of the regular season is securing home field. Why? BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT.

Completely understand what you are saying. And further more I actually agree with you.
What I do not want to ever see is a committee attempting to quantify a teams value or rating based on their subjectivity. Then it will become a case of teams running up scores and you will have the issue college has.
I get it you beat them and are undeafeated so you think you should be the 1 seed. The points do not prove that out. You want more points for beating a district opponent? I am in on that but otherwise the schedule says that Clarke played tougher competition.
Suck it up and beat them again if you get the opportunity. If Central is what we all think they are, it is only one games gate and a bus ride away from crossing over to play the Region A winner.

 

[saltNlight]

One of the main objectives of the regular season is securing home field. Why? BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT.

Completely understand what you are saying. And further more I actually agree with you.
What I do not want to ever see is a committee attempting to quantify a teams value or rating based on their subjectivity. Then it will become a case of teams running up scores and you will have the issue college has.
I get it you beat them and are undeafeated so you think you should be the 1 seed. The points do not prove that out. You want more points for beating a district opponent? I am in on that but otherwise the schedule says that Clarke played tougher competition.
Suck it up and beat them again if you get the opportunity. If Central is what we all think they are, it is only one games gate and a bus ride away from crossing over to play the Region A winner.

I’m with you. And unfortunately there’s no one way that makes sense. Heck, the NCAA can’t even figure out a way that is most beneficial.

Again, not a Central fan. Just a guy watching from the outside.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Not the argument I’m making at all. I know we need a point system to determine rankings. I also know that it’s common sense that Central “should” be seeded higher.

I see no reason why we can’t have a committee that votes on seeding so we can do it in a logical way that makes sense.

There’s no question in my mind that if you put 5 people in a room and they vote for seedings...Central finishes 1. Heck, Lee might finish ahead of Clarke in that instance.

A committee would be the worst idea....no way you can get a group that doesn’t show favoritism or worse knows nothing about most of the teams they are voting on. The system works, teams just have to learn to use the system to their favor. Anything that makes teams play better competition is good.

 

[schoolboard]

Central beats Luray to win region.

 

[VAHoops1]

Pretty simple if you want to be #1 play a better schedule.

I'll take Riverheads on the schedule as a challenge over a 4A Handley team. Not as simple as you think.

 

[saltNlight]

Pretty simple if you want to be #1 play a better schedule.

I'll take Riverheads on the schedule as a challenge over a 4A Handley team. Not as simple as you think.

Amen on that.

 

[Gunz41]

I'll chime in as a LONG time poster who has seen the changes in the playoffs and the one doing the points.

While it is unfortunate that a head to head doesn't matter in this instance, the way it is done is a good way to do it. The only issue I have with the points is with playing down in class and still getting the same points.

That part actually benefits Central in this case, but a team should be rewarded for playing bigger schools with better records. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. From the talk on here and seeing things, I think my school, Stuarts Draft is better than 2 teams who got in, and in my opinion they are better than 2 of the teams who beat them in close games, meaning if we went by eye test or committee then things could change.

Every team who plays for a championship is going to have to play on the road. And isn't part of the argument that Central beat Clarke AT Clarke? So they can do it again. It's nothing unfair, SOS matters, thus why CC is ahead.

To someone else's point, I dont think there are 7 schools in B who can win it all, but there are certainly AT LEAST 4. Clarke, Central, Lee and Luray. Luray was a good bit better than any team I have seen this year, and would be on par with SD, RH, and Richlands last year

 

[Gunz41]

I'll take Riverheads on the schedule as a challenge over a 4A Handley team. Not as simple as you think.

It is as simple as you think, Central received MORE points for Riverheads than Clarke did Handley

 

[saltNlight]

I'll take Riverheads on the schedule as a challenge over a 4A Handley team. Not as simple as you think.

It is as simple as you think, Central received MORE points for Riverheads than Clarke did Handley

I know in the long run that the point system makes the most sense. I’m just stating that in this one instance I believe it’s blatantly incorrect. I understand it is what it is. Doesn’t mean I have to think it’s right or just.