Trial date set for LCA's suit against VHSL

[pioneer94]

I would like this to be resolved without a trial.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/jury-trial-set-for-fall-in-lca-s-suit-asking/article_b4253046-9205-11e4-8b6e-8b309049afe9.html

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

The most puzzling thing about the trial may be the date, October 19th. Heck that's 10 months away.

The thing that worries me about the lawsuit is "school zone" . LCA has no zone. Their students live all over Lynchburg, Campbell County and Bedford County. In VHSL an athlete is required to live in school zone of school he plays at. Granted there are exceptions to this rule, (but there should not be).

 

[dringtuoti]

I have a list of good reasons for LCA and Rocco but they don't want to hear them. Can VHSL schools then sue for being forced to play them and lose revenue from other sports when they only bring 30 fans to other games? Give me a break. 47 states have also went to common core academic standards - VA doesn't and shouldn't. You can't use that as an excuse to gain acceptance when they discriminate in multiple ways themselves. Hey LCA, public schools across the country have figured out ways to accommodate all levels of special education students but a majority of private schools do not. I can point to multiple hypocrisies from the private schools. It's a shame this is even being heard in the courts - it's the definition of frivolous. I would like to hear these legal arguments concerning discrimination though - since I don't think they are legally not members of a constitutionally protected class.

 

[Keith_Stone33]

Is LCA trying to get the VHSL to allow all of the VISAA schools to be a part of VHSL?

I guess they want to join the VHSL for financial/travel/scheduling reasons, does that sound right?

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

I think it's mainly scheduling. Most schools in Lynchburg area will not play them.

 

[pioneer94]

Rocco has said they want to cut down on travel, and he thinks playing some of the local schools will draw big crowds. The benefit games against Amherst have drew pretty good crowds. I'm not sure what the crowd was like when LCA played Gretna. Maybe HR6 could provide some info on that. I do think LCA playing the Seminole and Dogwood teams could be a draw, but I also think part of the reason the benefit games between LCA and Amherst drew so well was the novelty of the games.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

If I recall correctly, the LCA-Gretna game was a good draw. Can't remember that far back.

 

[86GENERALS]

Schools in the area don't want to lose kids to LCA and thats whats what happens when they play you,see kids that are talented and then they offer free tuition to come play for them...

 

[pioneer94]

I don't know if or how hard LCA recruits athletes They have to recruit students or there would be no school, but if the advantages LCA has are great as their detractors say why would wouldn't you have seen mass defections of the area schools' best players. I haven't seen that. I see more kids jumping from one public school to another than jumping ship to LCA.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Excellent observations. I personally know of several cases where an athlete transferred from one public school to another for athletic purposes. When that happens, the VHSL should not allow him/her to play.
This post was edited on 1/6 1:47 PM by Hampton Roads 6

 

[pioneer94]

I don't understand why the opponents to LCA joining the VHSL are so worried about LCA recruiting players because according to them they have been doing it for years so what is going to change. This notion that contact with LCA during games will lead to a flood of players defecting to LCA is puzzling to me. It's not as if LCA is some great mystery to the other high athletes in the area whose eyes will only be opened to opportunities LCA offers when they meet on the field. It seems to me if the majority of the country can find a way to make work it could be done in Virginia. I know those other systems aren't perfect. No system ever will be.How much complaining goes on now about the VHSL? Why can't the VHSL and LCA look at the other states, figure out what works well and what doesn't work so and play ball.

 

[Panther80ram]

It will force the schools to play LCA that lost their prime players to LCA. LCA recruits from the Lynchburg area and that may be fine if they want to play private schools and a private state championship. But absolutely do not get the best kids from the entire Lynchburg area and beyond and then compete against and expect schools like Amherst, Rustburg or whoever else to compete for the same district or state championship. Its not a level playing field nor will it ever be. Not fair in my eyes and many others. Take a look at Pennsylvania and see who dominates every year in their championship brackets. There is always a private school in the finals in just about every division. Two years ago there were 8 finalist in Pennsylvania and 5 of them were private Catholic schools. Not right and that will happen in Virginia as well.
You mention in a earlier post about why more kids don't transfer to LCA and it is probably because they could not afford it. LCA cost money.

 

[piz hokies]

Who pays for the "free" tuition for the kids who transfer to LCA for athletics, if they need the athletes to keep the school open? According to this post, if they did not recruit athletes then there would be no LCA school. That probably if false statement. I bet there is a high student population (students paying for their education) than there is an athlete population at LCA. They do not have to recruit athletes to keep the school open, they recruit to have better athletic teams.

LCA may be like Collegiate in the fact that they do not offer a PE class, so students have to participate in a sport, or play intramural sports to get their PE credits. But again, a high percentage of these students would not play a sport if they went to a public school.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Great post Panther.....no way it is fair to have a private school that recruits and pulls from all over the state compete equally with schools that are limited to a certain zone. PA is a good example of what happens are there are similar situations in other states as well. If I was the VHSLi would pull all State Championships out of LU just because of the lawsuit. They are one and the same, don't care who wants to say they are not. If not then why do LCA grads get free ride to LU? VHSL should take their Championships and leave LU......

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

No no no. LU is the best venue in state for state championship games . LCA and LU are not the same . One is a elementary ,, middle and high school . one is a university . they are both in Lynchburg though.

 

[Hoos19NC]

LOL they are one in the same. I don't care how good the venue is if they are costing the VHSL money then no way they deserve any compensation from State Championship games. VHSL should tell them to shove it right up the Falwells......

 

[Keith_Stone33]

Originally, I thought LCA stood no chance in getting their way with this lawsuit, but after hearing that 47 other states have private/public schools competing against each other for state championships, my thoughts have changed. I really think LCA may win, and I'm not sure that what they are doing benefits all of the private schools (it will certainly benefit the strong programs). Some private schools really won't be competitive against the public schools.

Based off my calculations (which may contain some errors):
All of the VISAA D3 and D4 schools would be VHSL 1A.
All of the D2 teams would be 2A, and St. Stephens & St Anges School would be the lone D1 team in 2A.
8 D1 schools would be 3A (Norfolk Academy, Collegiate, Flint Hill, Benedictine, Pope John Paul, St. Christophers, FUMA, Bishop Ireton).
D1 LCA would be the lone private in 4A.
D1 Paul VI and Bishop O'Connell would be 5A.

https://www.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=914&CID=1657032

 

[cutnjump]

You are correct Hoos they are one and the same in reality which is defined by who actually controls the entities. As far as pulling the playoffs goes I'm not sure the decision is cut and dried based on costing VHSL money in a lawsuit. The VHSL is still going to have to pay to use some facility so if the deal is attractive financially and the net, considering attendance and cost of venue, is better at LU then the VHSL at least has to consider what is of most importance to stand on a particular principle or to make the best financial decision for the organization and its members.


One last thing, don't you need to revise your username now? Don't want to sell the most recent one short. ;-)

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Private schools


Most private schools are not very good in football. Granted there are a few exceptions. Basketball is a little different. A school can bring in 2 or 3 transfers and become a winner over night. I recall Faith Christian Academy in Hurt, blowing Gretna out of the gym in a scrimmage. They had 2 or 3 D1 prospects that year who came in just for basketball.

A lot of private schools do not have football.

LCA is a well established high school, not a basketball factory as some privates are.

 

[Keith_Stone33]

Re: Private schools

Originally posted by Hampton Roads 6:

Most private schools are not very good in football. Granted there are a few exceptions. Basketball is a little different. A school can bring in 2 or 3 transfers and become a winner over night.

You are right on the money with that... sometimes just 1 transfer in basketball can turn a team into a contender. The competitive advantage would shift to the private schools for basketball, especially with so many athletes choosing to reclassify.

Originally posted by Hampton Roads 6:

A lot of private schools do not have football.

and you may see even less if they start competing against public schools. One private school (Norfolk Christian) did not field a team this year as they didn't feel they had the numbers or types of players to keep their kids safe or competitive.

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Re: Private schools


I would think that if LCA wins their case, not many private schools will choose to join VHSL. Only the larger and well established may want to join.
And I would like to think a private school joining would have to field teams in all sports, not pick and choose.

 

[Hoos19NC]

Cutnjump I have tried to change my name but it appears preps doesn't allow you to do it, maybe some guru can tell me how. UVA has 21 National Championships so I'm 2 short with my name......

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

You might try HoosTwentyOneNC with a new account/registration.

Somewhere there is a HR1, HR2, HR3, HR4, and HR5. I had to go all the way down to 6 when I registered.

 

[Hoos19NC]

It's just scary to think there is another 5 HR's out there somewhere....LOL

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

I have never seen a post by any of them.

 

[jrhitman]

I don't like it but private schools have a lot of money. Money talks.thev coming