Varina at Dinwiddie

[BleedingNavy]

@General172011, the naysayers always talk about our interior line size and play. We have always had small o lines who get on the d lines hips and trap well. Coach Davis always has that group prepared. You know better than anybody what we do to teams who don't play disciplined in the trenches. Also its always the same story about how our db's don't play up and face guard. Oh well, Dinwiddie has always played bend, but don't break defense. One more quick point. One reason most Dinwiddie defenses give up 15-18 points a game is because we score fast and often. Teams get more opportunities thus more points. Unless Varina shuts our offense down for four quarters we and the sod will take it's toil on their big boys.

No easy task for Mills and company, but I bet he already has to tendencies mapped out.

@BoKnowsSports, Varina get hit with fouls, because Wyche is super mobile and extends plays. Hard for lineman to know when he is going to run or pass. Same thing with holding. The longer you have to extend your block the likelihood of a holding calls. Varina's Helter Skelter long ball offense is tough to scheme for.

 

[GoBlue2109]

The cool thing about this matchup is, it's 2 teams that mirror each other in a lot of ways.

Dinwiddie out in the country.
Even though Varina is in Henrico the school is surrounded by acres of cornfields.

Dinwiddie has a blue collar workman program under Mills. No excuses just work.

Varina since the Chilcoat days have prided themselves on being the hardest working team in the area and it's a lot of guys that played under Chilcoat on the staff.

Both teams have physically worn down their opponents all year. Varina more defensively and Dinwiddie more offensively.

Strengh of schedule is about the same for both teams. Varina was super unfortunate to lose the Freedom/Hayfield/PME whatever you want to call them game. Since Dinwiddie played Maury that will be the best team either team has played. I think that could play a factor. Dinwiddie won't be shocked by Varina’s defense how Huguenot was.

Both teams have "Weaknesses" but I don't think they're glaring. It's just a matter of can a team take advantage.

Let's start with Dinwiddie.
Pass defense seems to be the only weakness. But if you look a lot of those big plays it's just other guys making plays. Matoaca literally only had success hitting bombs and most of King George's success was on bombs. King George easily has one of the more sophisticated and well run offenses in the state and Dinwiddie adjusted to that as the game went on. Varina to me really only has 1 guy in particular that can challenge you deep but he is a MONSTER. Varina's passing game isn't sophisticated like KG so let's see how they plan to attack the secondary.


For Varina: Their main weakness is just the offense overall. Sometimes it's play calling. Sometimes the oline is just stuck in mud and doesn't move very well. I'm sure you're looking at the numbers (33 ppg)and thinking I'm crazy but look at what's actually happening in the games. Simply put KALEB WYCHE is freaking ridiculous. When Varina has success it's just been "Wyche go do something". We've talked about Varina having an improved offense, but it's largely due to Wyche being a better player. 5 Henderson at RB has been an upgrade over previous backs and has played well but again he hasn't exactly put up great numbers this year. Overall the offense being bland and not creative worries me at this point of the year.

So with that said can Varina’s Dline overwhelm Dinwiddie's Oline? Maybe but I think it will be close to a stalemate.

Will Dinwiddie be able to shut down Varina’s offense? Possibly but Varina has dudes that will make something out of nothing.

I think most thing between the teams balance out where one team has an advantage then other team has an advantage in a different spot.

Finally coaching. Varina has had some question marks but they're in the Region championship for 3rd the time in 4 years. So hey, they're doing something right on Messer Rd. The defense will be ready to play. The offense will have to make adjustments but I'm skeptical as to what they can come with.

I dont have any questions about Mills and crew bringing the kitchen sink to the game. They'll adjust and adjust and adjust until something sticks. The question is will this be a 1 possession/tie game going into the because that's where those moves will show.

Last X factor: with all things very close it might be as simple who makes more plays between Dalton and Wyche. Dalton has been there and done it and Wyche looks next in line to take best player in the region.
Wyche goes both ways but hasn't face an offense like this that might wear him down.
Will we see Dalton on defense????

As the name says GoBlue !!! I'm going to punk out and not make a pick.

 

[GoBlue2109]

We should have 3 wins against them but not having a field goal kicker in 2009 held us back & 2012 was one of the worst officiated games I’ve seen

Woah brother that 2009 game we let yall back in it. But for real I became a fan of yall that day. I was like damn that's 1st team we played that was in the same type of shape we in.

 

[General172011]

Woah brother that 2009 game we let yall back in it. But for real I became a fan of yall that day. I was like damn that's 1st team we played that was in the same type of shape we in.

once we tied the game we knew we were going to win the PAT was our Kryptonite that entire 2nd half smh

 

[GoBlue2109]

once we tied the game we knew we were going to win the PAT was our Kryptonite that entire 2nd half smh

Film on that Monday was so funny. Coach just kept replaying that WR #4. Jackson i think. Just running up and down the field on us.

 

[General172011]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he was the only one that could match yall speed that year. Johnson Harrison & Pegus were just out running us

 

[m-squared]

I don't really know who to pick. These are two excellent teams - the two best in 4B. They deserve to be playing for the region championship. I picked Dinwiddie since they are playing at home.

I see posts about the size on the lines and favoring the bigger team because they are bigger. I'll say this - my Dad was a high school coach and AD starting before I was born for around 35 years. I've been around HS football all my life. One of the best teams I've ever seen was a Sussex Central team in the 90s that had only one player over 200 pounds on the whole team. James Monroe (my school) was very fortunate to beat them by a point or two in the Region I championship game. If it hadn't rained and the field was wet, we may very well not have won. That was when James Monroe won back-to-back AA Division3 state championships. Sussex that year was averaging 30 or so points a game and giving up less than 7. The game they lost to us was the only game they lost that season. They were awesome. There is a saying that applies and is very true I think: it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!

Good luck to Dinwiddie and Varina! I can't make the trip to Dinwiddie, thank goodness for the NFHS Network! Have a good one!

 

[acoles]

We went 1/6 in the red zone against Maury. If we at least go 50% in the red area it’s a different looking ball game lol but I understand. Dinwiddie is the only team this year that has amassed more than 200 yards on Maury. An Varina has never had trouble beating Dinwiddie??? What you talking bout the score 2-2 by my knowledge 🤔 I just don’t understand why yall be grouping these teams in the same category as Maury

We went 1/6 in the red zone against Maury. If we at least go 50% in the red area it’s a different looking ball game lol but I understand. Dinwiddie is the only team this year that has amassed more than 200 yards on Maury. An Varina has never had trouble beating Dinwiddie??? What you talking bout the score 2-2 by my knowledge 🤔 I just don’t understand why yall be grouping these teams in the same category as Maury

 

[acoles]

Everyone was saying that that Huguenot high School football team has the best offense in the state of Virginia so if Huguenot has the best offense in the state then Varina
must have the best defense in the state.The old saying is offense fills stadium and defense wins championships I pick Varina for this one strictly because of there defense. Most teams that played dinwiddie had no problem putting points on the board. Good luck to both teams.

 

[catchtds]

I don't really know who to pick. These are two excellent teams - the two best in 4B. They deserve to be playing for the region championship. I picked Dinwiddie since they are playing at home.

I see posts about the size on the lines and favoring the bigger team because they are bigger. I'll say this - my Dad was a high school coach and AD starting before I was born for around 35 years. I've been around HS football all my life. One of the best teams I've ever seen was a Sussex Central team in the 90s that had only one player over 200 pounds on the whole team. James Monroe (my school) was very fortunate to beat them by a point or two in the Region I championship game. If it hadn't rained and the field was wet, we may very well not have won. That was when James Monroe won back-to-back AA Division3 state championships. Sussex that year was averaging 30 or so points a game and giving up less than 7. The game they lost to us was the only game they lost that season. They were awesome. There is a saying that applies and is very true I think: it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!

Good luck to Dinwiddie and Varina! I can't make the trip to Dinwiddie, thank goodness for the NFHS Network! Have a good one!

Sussex was like that under Jefferson some too. Put those little rascals in sprinters stance…Quick and Tough.

 

[General172011]

Everyone was saying that that Huguenot high School football team has the best offense in the state of Virginia so if Huguenot has the best offense in the state then Varina
must have the best defense in the state.The old saying is offense fills stadium and defense wins championships I pick Varina for this one strictly because of there defense. Most teams that played dinwiddie had no problem putting points on the board. Good luck to both teams.

Lmao

 

[ArcticBuc]

This is a tough one. Billy is an old family friend from Chilhowie and I'm a graduate of Varina, albeit Velociraptors were still roaming around Messer Road when I graduated.

I'm hoping for a great game with a micrometer edge to the Blue Devils.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

I’m just tripping how buddy said Varina can watch film an attack our weaknesses like Billy Mills can’t do the same thing lmao the. Varina by 2 TDs lmao Dinwiddie has only lost by double digits on their home field in the playoffs ONCE in the last decade (PH 2021) an in Mills 20 year tenure lemme check ……. Oh TWICE. Dinwiddie is not Huguenot you gone have to lace em up for 48 minutes to beat Dinwiddie at home it’s gone be a war and everyone in that locker room knows that on both sides. Only game that will be decided by double digits this weekend is Hampton Phoebus other than that every game will be a heavyweight fight idk what film yall be watching or how yall evaluate games but 2 TDs…….. ok

Just gave my unbiased opinion…love the school spirit and history. I’ll stand on my 2 TD opinion. Right or wrong i have no dog in the fight.

It’s just funny when i defend Phoebus in similar ways I’m called emotional and other similar bs🤣🤣…but I get it. I’m outnumbered

 

[CavsGrad]

Just gave my unbiased opinion…love the school spirit and history. I’ll stand on my 2 TD opinion. Right or wrong i have no dog in the fight.

It’s just funny when i defend Phoebus in similar ways I’m called emotional and other similar bs🤣🤣…but I get it. I’m outnumbered

I got your back...there was definitely some sensitive reactions above 😆 As a 757 to DMV guy, I'm now afraid of giving my pick as an "outsider." But truthfully, I met some of the Dinwididie faithful at their field a few years ago, including @BleedingNavy and @DinwiddieProud. They were down to earth and great hosts, and most importantly, they gave my kids candy, which was the highlight of their trip.

 

[BoKnowsSports]

I got your back...there was definitely some sensitive reactions above 😆 As a 757 to DMV guy, I'm now afraid of giving my pick as an "outsider." But truthfully, I met some of the Dinwididie faithful at their field a few years ago, including @BleedingNavy and @DinwiddieProud. They were down to earth and great hosts, and most importantly, they gave my kids candy, which was the highlight of their trip.

If you come Saturday, I have a Varina shirt with your name on it 🫡

 

[CavsGrad]

If you come Saturday, I have a Varina shirt with your name on it 🫡

That would be a good time for me to give you your "i love the 757" XS shirt 🤣

 

[BleedingNavy]

I got your back...there was definitely some sensitive reactions above 😆 As a 757 to DMV guy, I'm now afraid of giving my pick as an "outsider." But truthfully, I met some of the Dinwididie faithful at their field a few years ago, including @BleedingNavy and @DinwiddieProud. They were down to earth and great hosts, and most importantly, they gave my kids candy, which was the highlight of their trip.

Didn't mean it to come off like that @CavsGrad. Everybody has the right to their opinion and I surely do not get upset by posters predictions about games. My use of the word "outsider" was not to offend or suggest one should not offer an opinion, but we have heard the same mess from the same person all season without any validation. Yes, we have been undersized for 20 years, yes our scheme lends to big passing plays. We are 11-1 and playing for a regional title for the 8th time since 2013.

I will own the fact that I do get annoyed when people who have no ties to Dinwiddie make effed up statements in our name (outsiders). Have had to deal with this issue twice this season.

For @Phoebus Fan to act like he knows our teams "glaring" weaknesses and schemes so well then suddenly become dumfounded and not know both #1 and #3 played defense and we're starting safeties. He's no expert on the Generals.

I don't have blinders on and realize most weeks Dinwiddie is playing against a stacked deck. What we lack in brute force we compensate with conditioning, discipline, and coaching. Just a bunch of homegrown country boys doing their thing. We may get beat by the Blue Devils on Saturday and if we do our tiny young men will be back in the weight room getting ready for next year.

 

[DinwiddieProud]

I got your back...there was definitely some sensitive reactions above 😆 As a 757 to DMV guy, I'm now afraid of giving my pick as an "outsider." But truthfully, I met some of the Dinwididie faithful at their field a few years ago, including @BleedingNavy and @DinwiddieProud. They were down to earth and great hosts, and most importantly, they gave my kids candy, which was the highlight of their trip.

Come see us again my friend. You are always welcome.

 

[CavsGrad]

Didn't mean it to come off like that @CavsGrad. Everybody has the right to their opinion and I surely do not get upset by posters predictions about games. My use of the word "outsider" was not to offend or suggest one should not offer an opinion, but we have heard the same mess from the same person all season without any validation. Yes, we have been undersized for 20 years, yes our scheme lends to big passing plays. We are 11-1 and playing for a regional title for the 8th time since 2013.

I will own the fact that I do get annoyed when people who have no ties to Dinwiddie make effed up statements in our name (outsiders). Have had to deal with this issue twice this season.

For @Phoebus Fan to act like he knows our teams "glaring" weaknesses and schemes so well then suddenly become dumfounded and not know both #1 and #3 played defense and we're starting safeties. He's no expert on the Generals.

I don't have blinders on and realize most weeks Dinwiddie is playing against a stacked deck. What we lack in brute force we compensate with conditioning, discipline, and coaching. Just a bunch of homegrown country boys doing their thing. We may get beat by the Blue Devils on Saturday and if we do our tiny young men will be back in the weight room getting ready for next year.

I'm sure you didn't, I'm just giving you a hard time. I don't think he meant any harm either, maybe a little jab, but its good to have a diverse group of posters with different perspectives...and objectives.

 

[Phoebus Fan]

Didn't mean it to come off like that @CavsGrad. Everybody has the right to their opinion and I surely do not get upset by posters predictions about games. My use of the word "outsider" was not to offend or suggest one should not offer an opinion, but we have heard the same mess from the same person all season without any validation. Yes, we have been undersized for 20 years, yes our scheme lends to big passing plays. We are 11-1 and playing for a regional title for the 8th time since 2013.

I will own the fact that I do get annoyed when people who have no ties to Dinwiddie make effed up statements in our name (outsiders). Have had to deal with this issue twice this season.

For @Phoebus Fan to act like he knows our teams "glaring" weaknesses and schemes so well then suddenly become dumfounded and not know both #1 and #3 played defense and we're starting safeties. He's no expert on the Generals.

I don't have blinders on and realize most weeks Dinwiddie is playing against a stacked deck. What we lack in brute force we compensate with conditioning, discipline, and coaching. Just a bunch of homegrown country boys doing their thing. We may get beat by the Blue Devils on Saturday and if we do our tiny young men will be back in the weight room getting ready for next year.

Are all yall this emotional in Dinwiddie? And talk about a narrative…I ain’t talked about Dinwiddie all year besides playoff time and the Maury game. As a matter of fact i did have multiple convos with one of you Dinwiddie dudes about a possible round 3 at Darling this year before the VhSL changed the state semi matchups.

It’s crazy you have a different opinion and the emotions start pouring. And you’re right I’m not an expert on Dinwiddie and it’s not my job to scout them to know their numbers.

With that said Varina by 2 TDs. Don’t let an opinion get your panties in a bunch. I know why you’re really mad…it’s the name in front of Fan but none of us can change what happened in 2010.

 

[Gunz41]

Are all yall this emotional in Dinwiddie? And talk about a narrative…I ain’t talked about Dinwiddie all year besides playoff time and the Maury game. As a matter of fact i did have multiple convos with one of you Dinwiddie dudes about a possible round 3 at Darling this year before the VhSL changed the state semi matchups.

It’s crazy you have a different opinion and the emotions start pouring. And you’re right I’m not an expert on Dinwiddie and it’s not my job to scout them to know their numbers.

With that said Varina by 2 TDs. Don’t let an opinion get your panties in a bunch. I know why you’re really mad…it’s the name in front of Fan but none of us can change what happened in 2010.

Only part I will comment on is what I KNOW. Had Phoebus and Dinwiddie/Varina/Huguenot been playing each other in the Semifinals (A vs B), that game would have not been at Phoebus. Higher rating hosts, which Phoebus at 32.40 lower than Dinwiddie, Varina, or Huguenot (33.80, 33.44, 32.80 respectively).

 

[Phoebus Fan]

Only part I will comment on is what I KNOW. Had Phoebus and Dinwiddie/Varina/Huguenot been playing each other in the Semifinals (A vs B), that game would have not been at Phoebus. Higher rating hosts, which Phoebus at 32.40 lower than Dinwiddie, Varina, or Huguenot (33.80, 33.44, 32.80 respectively).

These convos happened before the season and were just for blanks and giggles honestly.

 

[Kilroy25]

This is a tough one. Billy is an old family friend from Chilhowie and I'm a graduate of Varina, albeit Velociraptors were still roaming around Messer Road when I graduated.

I'm hoping for a great game with a micrometer edge to the Blue Devils.

Did you ever eat at the Varsity Club??

 

[DinwiddieProud]

This is a tough one. Billy is an old family friend from Chilhowie and I'm a graduate of Varina, albeit Velociraptors were still roaming around Messer Road when I graduated.

I'm hoping for a great game with a micrometer edge to the Blue Devils.

Is the poster Chilhowe??? Still around? He knew Billy and his family well.

 

[ArcticBuc]

Did you ever eat at the Varsity Club??

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[Kilroy25]

Not that I'm aware of.

Billy’s dad owned it in Chilhowie. Pizza joint and local hangout

 

[ArcticBuc]

Billy’s dad owned it in Chilhowie. Pizza joint and local hangout

I didn't spend much time in the area until after I met my wife. I grew up in Varina, then to Ferrum JC, then transferred to ETSU.

My Dad was from Rich Valley. My Mom, Dad and Sister moved to Rich Valley when I was a Junior at ETSU. My Dad and Mr. Mills knew each other. My dad had a couple of businesses in the area, plus was a school bus driver. He knew everybody and just about everybody knew him.

My wife is from Marion, just above the world famous Dip Dog Stand, she's also an ETSU grad (BSRN) but we didn't know each other but knew all the same people.

I have a ton of family in Chilhowie and Saltville and she has a ton of family in Marion and Saltville

 

[Kilroy25]

I didn't spend much time in the area until after I met my wife. I grew up in Varina, then to Ferrum JC, then transferred to ETSU.

My Dad was from Rich Valley. My Mom, Dad and Sister moved to Rich Valley when I was a Junior at ETSU. My Dad and Mr. Mills knew each other. My dad had a couple of businesses in the area, plus was a school bus driver. He knew everybody and just about everybody knew him.

My wife is from Marion, just above the world famous Dip Dog Stand, she's also an ETSU grad (BSRN) but we didn't know each other but knew all the same people.

I have a ton of family in Chilhowie and Saltville and she has a ton of family in Marion and Saltville

I have a lot of family in Chilhowie as well

 

[BoKnowsSports]

Almost that time! Go Route 5!