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Sherando Warriors (12-1) vs Phoebus Phantoms (12-0)

Who will win?

  • Sherando Warriors

    Votes: 10 19.2%
  • Phoebus Phantoms

    Votes: 42 80.8%

  • Total voters
    52
  • Poll closed .
Varina gonna have their way with Phoebus if this all they got.
Varina has been beating Phoebus for the past 25 years. Every title game Varina has played in they just walk all over Phoebus. They tend to just blast every team they play. Yes. Varina. They've been representing Virginia on the national stage for the last 50 years.
 
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Plenty of schools in NC that’ll play yall. I’d love to see yall run it up with West Charlotte or Grimsley, especially if yall are returning a lot. Wayyyy better bump than the DMV public’s.
Phoebus has played West Charlotte, Butler and Richmond Senior at Memorial Stadium in charlotte in a jamboree 2002. Beating all three. Only losing to Independence Charlotte. It has already been done. Don't worry. We get to play Varina next week for the chip. This will be an outstanding game.
 
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Let's do some higher math.
1. Salem 3 tds better last year to this year.
2. Phoebus 7 points better than Salem last year even though Salem played them even until last play.
3. Phoebus about same as last year.
4. Playing at Phoebus +7
FINAL. 35-0 or. 42-7
Please send me some more betting tips
 
Phoebus will be a whole new team next year honestly. This is a senior led team all the way around. The defense will return 1 starter next year and the offense will return the QB and 2 OL.
I for one am glad to hear. Lafayette returns many.
 
I'm currently watching the QO/Wise chip game replay on NFHS. QO is clearly the better team. Both defenses are very solid. Wise's offense is ehhh. QO's offense is average.

If I were to put these teams into this year's VA rankings - QO would be top 10...probably around 5. I'd put Wise in the 10-15 range.

I can imagine if Maury and Wise played later in the season, Maury woulda got them by 3+ tuddys.
I'd argue Maryland's top publics would give our top publics a game just about every year and the scoreboards this year and last year show they can. Wise's current head coach stepped up to position this spring, after their previous coach (who had been their only coach since the school opened) stepped down and eventually took the head coach position at Westlake. QO, Wise, Mervo, Fort Hill, and Dunbar (Baltimore) are legit programs and can punch above their weight in school sizes. I'd travel hours to see Salem play Fort Hill, as they remind me of each other. The privates get a chunk of the top talent in Maryland, but not all of the top kids go private.
 
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I'd argue Maryland's top publics would give our top publics a game just about every year and the scoreboards this year and last year show they can. Wise's current head coach stepped up to position this spring, after their previous coach (who had been their only coach since the school opened) stepped down and eventually took the head coach position at Westlake. QO, Wise, Mervo, Fort Hill, and Dunbar (Baltimore) are legit programs and can punch above their weight in school sizes. I'd travel hours to see Salem play Fort Hill, as they remind me of each other. The privates get a chunk of the top talent in Maryland, but not all of the top kids go private.

Maryland publics are hot garbage. Virginia is way better. Quince Orchard went 13-0. They're not ranked. Because they don't play anyone.
 
My bad, 14-0 lol. I don't put much weight in MaxPreps or HSFA or any poll outside the top 25 for that matter, but how you going to go 14-0 and not be ranked in one of them? I only looked in top 100 for HSFA, so maybe they're in there somewhere, I don't know. I wish they hadn't changed Massey because they used to have the schedules with the ratings. Every team they play is in the 1000s lol.
 
I'd argue Maryland's top publics would give our top publics a game just about every year and the scoreboards this year and last year show they can. Wise's current head coach stepped up to position this spring, after their previous coach (who had been their only coach since the school opened) stepped down and eventually took the head coach position at Westlake. QO, Wise, Mervo, Fort Hill, and Dunbar (Baltimore) are legit programs and can punch above their weight in school sizes. I'd travel hours to see Salem play Fort Hill, as they remind me of each other. The privates get a chunk of the top talent in Maryland, but not all of the top kids go private.
I'd give the top 2 or 3 publics but no more. During my time living in MD (~5 years), I went to several HS games throughout the state. I saw a lot of good individual talent but not much as collective teams. In a one game matchup, anything can happen. As far as a total season, QO and Wise absolutely. Dunbar would be C4...yikes. Plus I don't really believe in public school football in major cities (my bias is showing). Fort Hill would present problems with the O they run (the veer if I'm not mistaken). Again, I'm looking at a whole season, not just the one off.
 
I'd give the top 2 or 3 publics but no more. During my time living in MD (~5 years), I went to several HS games throughout the state. I saw a lot of good individual talent but not much as collective teams. In a one game matchup, anything can happen. As far as a total season, QO and Wise absolutely. Dunbar would be C4...yikes. Plus I don't really believe in public school football in major cities (my bias is showing). Fort Hill would present problems with the O they run (the veer if I'm not mistaken). Again, I'm looking at a whole season, not just the one off.

This is a good way of putting it. I just realized @CavsGrad said top publics. I'm an idiot lol, sorry. I somehow missed that. Collectively, I would say Virginia is better. It's hard tell how good some of those teams are because the competition is just not there.
 
I'd give the top 2 or 3 publics but no more. During my time living in MD (~5 years), I went to several HS games throughout the state. I saw a lot of good individual talent but not much as collective teams. In a one game matchup, anything can happen. As far as a total season, QO and Wise absolutely. Dunbar would be C4...yikes. Plus I don't really believe in public school football in major cities (my bias is showing). Fort Hill would present problems with the O they run (the veer if I'm not mistaken). Again, I'm looking at a whole season, not just the one off.
I agree, with maybe from top to bottom. I've been in the DMV for 23 years and didn't give MD publics much weight initially. But those teams that I mentioned are always in the mix and have held their own against our schools when they played them.
 
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I wouldn't give maxpreps much credit, but you won't find our schools getting much love from the national polls or the national forums. So for me, rankings is not much of an argument for VA superiority over MD.
Which is why I chose not to go the rankings/polls route. I'm using the eyeball test with 99% bias removed. Based off of places I've and watched a good amount of football, this is my public school football rankings.

1) Ohio
2) North Carolina
3) Missouri
4) VA
5) MD
6) Pop Warner anywhere in the USA
7) New Jersey
 
The difference is the private schools in Maryland. That's where the talent is going. I bet if you pull up player rankings on one of the recruiting sites almost all of them are from private schools. Virginia is not like that.
I agree with you partially. There are some top football players in NoVa that are peppered throughout WCAC rosters. Not nearly as many from MD but VA is definitely losing some.
 
Which is why I chose not to go the rankings/polls route. I'm using the eyeball test with 99% bias removed. Based off of places I've and watched a good amount of football, this is my public school football rankings.

1) Ohio
2) North Carolina
3) Missouri
4) VA
5) MD
6) Pop Warner anywhere in the USA
7) New Jersey

Mallard Creek went on the road, short notice, and beat Archbishop Moeller this year. I don't think Ohio is as strong as they have been historically. And I think North Carolina has gotten stronger.
 
Mallard Creek went on the road, short notice, and beat Archbishop Moeller this year. I don't think Ohio is as strong as they have been historically. And I think North Carolina has gotten stronger.
One off game aka Any Given Friday so I tend to disregard those games. I do agree that Ohio is down this year. Ohio down year = NC average year/VA good year.
 
It makes me wonder how good some of those private schools really are to be honest. I've seen a number of them. I watched that game. Mallard Creek had a noticeable speed advantage. Some of them, like Providence Day, elite talent, just not a lot of depth. Some of them are pretty good though.
 
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It makes me wonder how good some of those private schools really are to be honest. I've seen a number of them. I watched that game. Mallard Creek had a noticeable speed advantage. Some of them, like Providence Day, elite talent, just not a lot of depth. Some of them are pretty good though.
Aside from the usual suspects (Mater Dei, SJB, Bishop Gorman, etc), I don't put much stock into private school sports. Here in Ohio, private schools are in the playoffs with public schools and routinely lose to the pubs (Moeller just lost the chip game to a public school 🤭🤭🤭). To me, that shows that amount of talent in Ohio when going a private school doesn't mean much. That's why I put OH over NC. The gap isn't huge though!
 
I agree with you partially. There are some top football players in NoVa that are peppered throughout WCAC rosters. Not nearly as many from MD but VA is definitely losing some.
The powerhouse football programs in the WCAC (the Capital Conference) are in DC and MD, and honestly I would bet commute distances/times factor into the decision process for most NOVA kids from Fairfax and Loudon counties on whether they attend the MD privates.
 
The powerhouse football programs in the WCAC (the Capital Conference) are in DC and MD, and honestly I would bet commute distances/times factor into the decision process for most NOVA kids from Fairfax and Loudon counties on whether they attend the MD privates.
You know how it goes. You all of a sudden have an "uncle" or "aunt" that you live with.

Again, I'm only talking about handful of kids. A handful of 3 and 4 stars makes alllll the difference though.
 
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You know how it goes. You all of a sudden have an "uncle" or "aunt" that you live with.

Again, I'm only talking about handful of kids. A handful of 3 and 4 stars makes alllll the difference though.
I've got kid at a WCAC school already and another who literally asked me today about playing at another WCAC 45+ miles way - that was an immediate "no" 🤣
 
MaxPreps rankings are fine. VA schools don't get ranked highly because they do not challenge themselves and no, using other schools in a Tier 3 football state is not challenging yourselves. Challenge means you grow some balls and put in a phone call to way south or out west but every coach in the state got an eyeful of what happened when OS stepped up like men and not a one of them wants any part of big schools anymore.

Glass ceiling state, that's all there is to it. It's an above-average state for the sport and there's nothing wrong with that, I'd rank close to 35 states behind us, but when it comes to national recognition the biggest and best teams stay home and play tiddlywinks amongst themselves rather than issue a challenge and see who responds.
 
MaxPreps rankings are fine. VA schools don't get ranked highly because they do not challenge themselves and no, using other schools in a Tier 3 football state is not challenging yourselves. Challenge means you grow some balls and put in a phone call to way south or out west but every coach in the state got an eyeful of what happened when OS stepped up like men and not a one of them wants any part of big schools anymore.

Glass ceiling state, that's all there is to it. It's an above-average state for the sport and there's nothing wrong with that, I'd rank close to 35 states behind us, but when it comes to national recognition the biggest and best teams stay home and play tiddlywinks amongst themselves rather than issue a challenge and see who responds.
Now I need to know your top 15 football states. I can guess 8 or so but I'm curious about the others.
 
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