Final: Tazewell 245, Graham 185

[Fairlawncat]

Penalty yards might be some kind of record. 21 penalties on Tazewell and 19 for Graham for a total of 40. Several offsetting penalties not even in the above total. Tazewell with 245 penalty yards to Grahams 185.

Final score: Graham 46, Tazewell 0

 

[kwhs95fan]

Wow. Hard to get in a flow with that many penalties

 

[19GHS87]

That game was hard to sit through. Very frustrating for both teams, I'm sure.

 

[19GHS87]

Reading that there were 57 total penalties in that game, counting the declined and offsetting. Count Graham out of the running, they can't get out of their own way. A decent team will beat them soundly.

 

[FootballFan1967]

Wow. Hard to get in a flow with that many penalties

Nearly an hour 1st quarter. Truly, a penalty in any high school game could be called every play & most refs are more selective. If a ref wanted they could call holding all night long on every team.
Not that a lot weren’t deserved by both teams, they were. The personal fouls were terrible. I believe Tazewell had a player ejected. The refs let the game get away from them (not excusing the teams) but when refs let the game get away from them, it’s hard to get it back under control. It lead to a lot of frustration in the players and provocation that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.

 

[19GHS87]

Nobody was ejected, but I agree. Maybe they should have ejected a couple. There was a scuffle early on and a couple of ejections on both sides could have easily been justified.

 

[Fairlawncat]

If will be tough for Graham to past Union with that kind of lack of discipline. Graham's A game is better than any team in Class 2. But their offense is not good enough to overcome discipline issues 3 times in a row in games 3, 4, and 5 of the playoffs. They will get caught on of those games if they play with lack of discipline and turnover inside there own territory deep. I understand Graham has been solid at not turning over deep inside their own territory. If they have a game in games 3, 4 or 5 where the discipline issues show up and they have 1 or 2 deep turnovers in their territory leading to an easy 10 or 14 points for the opponent, they will caught.

If Graham fixes the penalty problems and doesn't turn over deep in their own territory, they will go 15 and 0. Defense is too good for any Class 2 team to go down the field consistently for 3 sustained drives. Maybe 2, but not 3 in one game.

 

[FootballFan1967]

Nobody was ejected, but I agree. Maybe they should have ejected a couple. There was a scuffle early on and a couple of ejections on both sides could have easily been justified.

The Tazewell Bulldog Netwoek said in their broadcast a Tazewell player was ejected and wouldn’t play next week. Maybe they were mistaken.

 

[Cbiskit04]

Nobody was ejected, but I agree. Maybe they should have ejected a couple. There was a scuffle early on and a couple of ejections on both sides could have easily been

Reading that there were 57 total penalties in that game, counting the declined and offsetting. Count Graham out of the running, they can't get out of their own way. A decent team will beat them soundly.

soundly huh ?! Like who ? Union never crossed midfield except for the broken coverage long TD run — Va High took a kick off back and the returner stepped out of bounds and then fumbled into his teammate who scored — tazewell game was one sided .. should have been 60-0 .. Tazewell had a 50 minute 17 play drive in 1st qtr and the referees were throwing phantom flags on 3rd and 28 and 4th and 14 of that drive - they were doing everything they could to keep the bulldogs in that game last night - the teams didn’t shake hands after the game and the head coach of Tazewell gave middle fingers to Graham afterwards.. show some class tho !

 

[Cbiskit04]

If will be tough for Graham to past Union with that kind of lack of discipline. Graham's A game is better than any team in Class 2. But their offense is not good enough to overcome discipline issues 3 times in a row in games 3, 4, and 5 of the playoffs. They will get caught on of those games if they play with lack of discipline and turnover inside there own territory deep. I understand Graham has been solid at not turning over deep inside their own territory. If they have a game in games 3, 4 or 5 where the discipline issues show up and they have 1 or 2 deep turnovers in their territory leading to an easy 10 or 14 points for the opponent, they will caught.

If Graham fixes the penalty problems and doesn't turn over deep in their own territory, they will go 15 and 0. Defense is too good for any Class 2 team to go down the field consistently for 3 sustained drives. Maybe 2, but not 3 in one game.

Graham averaging 33 pts a game offense and giving up 5 on defense —- but let yall tell it they are down and struggling

 

[SWDRules]

He also had the tazewell kids chop block all night going at the knees of our defensive line. Shouldn't expect a little league Coach that graduated to the high school level to have any class.

 

[19GHS87]

The Tazewell Bulldog Netwoek said in their broadcast a Tazewell player was ejected and wouldn’t play next week. Maybe they were mistaken.

Maybe you're right. I was at the game and didn't see anybody get ejected But there was a lot going on during that time .

 

[19GHS87]

The real story is how bad and unprepared Tazewell looked .. they decided to huddle instead of signaling and had numerous delay of game penalties. They prob spent the week looking for ways to get Graham players kicked out instead of actually preparing for football .. they have ZERO running game and way too many random formations ,, kids couldn’t get lined up. Yes the penalties were bad but a bunch of it was phantom flags back and forth flopping .

I agree. They seemed disorganized for the 9th game of the season. They run out of the shotgun all the time and I think they were trying to run the play clock down quite a bit to play keep away. I can't wrap my head around what Tazewell is trying to do when I watch them play. I just assume they like to throw the ball and it is very hard to run out of the shotgun

 

[19GHS87]

If will be tough for Graham to past Union with that kind of lack of discipline. Graham's A game is better than any team in Class 2. But their offense is not good enough to overcome discipline issues 3 times in a row in games 3, 4, and 5 of the playoffs. They will get caught on of those games if they play with lack of discipline and turnover inside there own territory deep. I understand Graham has been solid at not turning over deep inside their own territory. If they have a game in games 3, 4 or 5 where the discipline issues show up and they have 1 or 2 deep turnovers in their territory leading to an easy 10 or 14 points for the opponent, they will caught.

If Graham fixes the penalty problems and doesn't turn over deep in their own territory, they will go 15 and 0. Defense is too good for any Class 2 team to go down the field consistently for 3 sustained drives. Maybe 2, but not 3 in one game.

I agree with your assessment. I think that Graham's defense is fantastic. If there's a better defense in 2A, I'd love to see it. However, the offense is inconsistent and the amount of penalties is flat out ludicrous. That will be their downfall

 

[7MileFord]

He also had the tazewell kids chop block all night going at the knees of our defensive line. Shouldn't expect a little league Coach that graduated to the high school level to have any class.

Honest question - are chop blocks against the rules with the VHSL?

I assume you are calling a chop block what we used to call it.. basically just diving at the legs below the knees.

Or are you saying something different happened?

 

[19GHS87]

Honest question - are chop blocks against the rules with the VHSL?

I assume you are calling a chop block what we used to call it.. basically just diving at the legs below the knees.

Or are you saying something different happened?

I don't recall seeing chop blocking. I need to go back and watch the film, but that's been taken down

 

[19GHS87]

Graham averaging 33 pts a game offense and giving up 5 on defense —- but let yall tell it they are down and struggling

Graham struggled with Union, a short handed V High team and Lebanon. Everybody else on the schedule were cupcakes. I'm not going to sugar coat anything. Graham's offense struggles against quality opponents and it will end up being their downfall Sure those stats look good, but when you look at who they have played and factor in over 100 yards in penalties per gamei, t's not nearly as impressive. Defensively, they are better then last season. Offensively, last year, they were much better

 

[7MileFord]

Graham struggled with Union, a short handed V High team and Lebanon. Everybody else on the schedule were cupcakes. I'm not going to sugar coat anything. Graham's offense struggles against quality opponents and it will end up being their downfall Sure those stats look good, but when you look at who they have played and factor in over 100 yards in penalties per gamei, t's not nearly as impressive. Defensively, they are better then last season. Offensively, last year, they were much better

Appreciate people like you giving fact based opinions.

I watched some of the Graham game last night while switching back and forth between others.

Their offense didn’t seem to have that home run hitter like they always have.

On another note, a funny one, as soon as I started watching at one point I saw Graham kick a successful onside kick. Don’t remember the exactly when it was.. either late 3rd or early 4th, but they were up at least 30+ at the time LOL

 

[FootballFan1967]

Appreciate people like you giving fact based opinions.

I watched some of the Graham game last night while switching back and forth between others.

Their offense didn’t seem to have that home run hitter like they always have.

On another note, a funny one, as soon as I started watching at one point I saw Graham kick a successful onside kick. Don’t remember the exactly when it was.. either late 3rd or early 4th, but they were up at least 30+ at the time LOL

I think it was just returning the favor of Tazewell kicking one & recovering it.

 

[7MileFord]

I think it was just returning the favor of Tazewell kicking one & recovering it.

Are you being facetious?

I watched Tazewell’s. It was right after halftime losing around 17-0.

Kind of makes sense to do that if you’re trying to win, right?

Doing it up 30 in the 4th is just, well…

But anyways, it made me laugh. As chippy as it was I would think you would want to get out of there. Not give Tazewell more reason to be upset lol

 

[FootballFan1967]

Are you being facetious?

I watched Tazewell’s. It was right after halftime losing around 17-0.

Kind of makes sense to do that if you’re trying to win, right?

Doing it up 30 in the 4th is just, well…

But anyways, it made me laugh. As chippy as it was I would think you would want to get out of there. Not give Tazewell more reason to be upset lol

Yes, I was joking. I have no idea why they did it at that point. Was it the back up kicker though? Could be just giving him practice kicking one & seeing if they could recover it. 😂

 

[19GHS87]

Appreciate people like you giving fact based opinions.

I watched some of the Graham game last night while switching back and forth between others.

Their offense didn’t seem to have that home run hitter like they always have.

On another note, a funny one, as soon as I started watching at one point I saw Graham kick a successful onside kick. Don’t remember the exactly when it was.. either late 3rd or early 4th, but they were up at least 30+ at the time LOL

Yes and I wasn't a fan of them scoring with 2 minutes left on a running clock either. You don't win over fans doing that kind of stuff. The taunting, jawing, unsportsmanlike behavior needs to stop too. That is not the way to win a ballgame. I don't care if the other team was acting like fools too, either. Look at teams like Appomattox and Riverheads, they win or lose with class and that's a reflection of their program.

 

[MarlburlMan]

Yes and I wasn't a fan of them scoring with 2 minutes left on a running clock either. You don't win over fans doing that kind of stuff. The taunting, jawing, unsportsmanlike behavior needs to stop too. That is not the way to win a ballgame. I don't care if the other team was acting like fools too, either. Look at teams like Appomattox and Riverheads, they win or lose with class and that's a reflection of their program.

I appreciate you saying this 19GHS87.
Palmer is a phenomenal coach as far as assembling a team. He always has the most talent on the field. However, his guys are not disciplined anyway you slice it. It seems to get worse every year.

 

[Cbiskit04]

The Tazewell Bulldog Netwoek said in their broadcast a Tazewell player was ejected and wouldn’t play next week. Maybe they were mistaken.

0 was ejected

 

[VaTech98]

Didn't Graham try to punch another score in at the end of the game last week on the 1 yard line up big? I don't know why so many questions the penalties and discipline issues when the kids are arguing with the coaches from the field.

 

[SWDRules]

Yes and I wasn't a fan of them scoring with 2 minutes left on a running clock either. You don't win over fans doing that kind of stuff. The taunting, jawing, unsportsmanlike behavior needs to stop too. That is not the way to win a ballgame. I don't care if the other team was acting like fools too, either. Look at teams like Appomattox and Riverheads, they win or lose with class and that's a reflection of their program.

You show class, you get class. You show your ass you get your ass whipped.

 

[7MileFord]

You show class, you get class. You show your ass you get your ass whipped.

I think you’re on the wrong side of this one.

Graham, while wildly successful over the last ten years, would rank in the bottom half of the “class” rankings if you did a blind poll.

I think we all have seen it but Graham folks have done a good job of keeping it contained until this year. I commend their fans who aren’t willing to fall in line and sacrifice integrity.

With that being said, it’s hard to argue with results. If Coach Palmer is okay with his players and coaches acting that way since it obviously isn’t keeping them from winning games, so be it. It’s his program. And I’m sure the results give him a much longer leash.

 

[7MileFord]

Didn't Graham try to punch another score in at the end of the game last week on the 1 yard line up big? I don't know why so many questions the penalties and discipline issues when the kids are arguing with the coaches from the field.

I watched this one on NFHS last week. Graham had all starters in on offense except for the runningback and tried to punch it in from the 1 yard line as time ran out in the game. They were up 35-3 I believe at the time. Pulaski stopped them from scoring on the 1.

Wonder what Pulaski did to deserve that? Had to have been Pulaski’s fault, per the @SWDRules method of thinking.

 

[FootballFan1967]

I watched this one on NFHS last week. Graham had all starters in on offense except for the runningback and tried to punch it in from the 1 yard line as time ran out in the game. They were up 35-3 I believe at the time. Pulaski stopped them from scoring on the 1.

Wonder what Pulaski did to deserve that? Had to have been Pulaski’s fault, per the @SWDRules method of thinking.

Not to argue but I don’t believe Graham had all their starters in at that point, some starters maybe but they really don’t have that many extra players. They didn’t even have enough to field a JV team. I’m pretty sure it was mostly backups in at that point against Pulaski. A coach really can’t tell kids who rarely get to play much, don’t score on them. I really think both teams had mostly backups in at that point.

 

[SWDRules]

Are you being facetious?

I watched Tazewell’s. It was right after halftime losing around 17-0.

Kind of makes sense to do that if you’re trying to win, right?

Doing it up 30 in the 4th is just, well…

But anyways, it made me laugh. As chippy as it was I would think you would want to get out of there. Not give Tazewell more reason to be upset
I think you’re on the wrong side of this one.

Graham, while wildly successful over the last ten years, would rank in the bottom half of the “class” rankings if you did a blind poll.

I think we all have seen it but Graham folks have done a good job of keeping it contained until this year. I commend their fans who aren’t willing to fall in line and sacrifice integrity.



With that being said, it’s hard to argue with results. If Coach Palmer is okay with his players and coaches acting that way since it obviously isn’t keeping them from winning games, so be it. It’s his program. And I’m sure the results give him a much longer leash.

Man.....I'm not sure we really care about if you think we don't have integrity. At all.

 

[SWDRules]

I watched this one on NFHS last week. Graham had all starters in on offense except for the runningback and tried to punch it in from the 1 yard line as time ran out in the game. They were up 35-3 I believe at the time. Pulaski stopped them from scoring on the 1.

Wonder what Pulaski did to deserve that? Had to have been Pulaski’s fault, per the @SWDRules method of thinking.

All the recievers were backups too. Passing quarterback was handing ball off. Try again hater.

 

[VaTech98]

Not to argue but I don’t believe Graham had all their starters in at that point, some starters maybe but they really don’t have that many extra players. They didn’t even have enough to field a JV team. I’m pretty sure it was mostly backups in at that point against Pulaski. A coach really can’t tell kids who rarely get to play much, don’t score on them. I really think both teams had mostly backups in at that point.

So you are on the 1 yard line with seconds left up 30 in a game and you can't take a knee? Go watch the film and offer another lame excuse besides that one. Good grief. Real classy bunch.

 

[7MileFord]

All the recievers were backups too. Passing quarterback was handing ball off. Try again hater.

Starting offensive line. Starting quarterback. Receivers split out wide on both sides didn’t even move. What are you trying to justify?

 

[VaTech98]

All the recievers were backups too. Passing quarterback was handing ball off. Try again hater.

"Passing quarterback"????😂😂

 

[7MileFord]

Man.....I'm not sure we really care about if you think we don't have integrity. At all.

I’m sure the ones who do have integrity understand my comment.

Again, I don’t care what they do. If Tony Palmer thinks the way he is leading young men is the right way then he has a right to take that team in that direction.

My point being is that with as much controversy has been surrounding him this year, personally and professionally, I would expect him to dot his i’s and cross his T’s a little more.

I’m not judging his intentions. Just judging the actions.

 

[SWDRules]

"Passing quarterback"????😂😂

Pretty pathetic pulaki fans crying about a little ol 2A team with 4 backups trying to score at the end of the game. My how far that program has fallen lol.

 

[SWDRules]

I’m sure the ones who do have integrity understand my comment.

Again, I don’t care what they do. If Tony Palmer thinks the way he is leading young men is the right way then he has a right to take that team in that direction.

My point being is that with as much controversy has been surrounding him this year, personally and professionally, I would expect him to dot his i’s and cross his T’s a little more.

I’m not judging his intentions. Just judging the actions.

Apparently you do because you wouldn't be trying to preach down to us. Shut up we don't care. By the way, you got banned for life today for your crap on swva sports. Hope he was worth it. We're done.

 

[7MileFord]

Apparently you do because you wouldn't be trying to preach down to us. Shut up we don't care. By the way, you got banned for life today for your crap on swva sports. Hope he was worth it. We're done.

I did? News to me. Not sure why I would. Once they made it to where you could read the threads without logging in there wasn’t a reason to log in.

I’m not preaching down to you. If you take it that way you must have something on your heart that you’re trying to hold back.

Anyways, I’m going to go eat my takeout and finish watching my dolphins. I’m glutton for punishment.

I’m through with this escalating conversation Mr. Rules.

 

[Fairlawncat]

You show class, you get class. You show your ass you get your ass whipped.

I don't think it's supposed to work that way. The way you describe goes against what you learned this morning. It's supposed to be show class at all times and not doing that or making exceptions is....not classy

 

[FootballFan1967]

Starting offensive line. Starting quarterback. Receivers split out wide on both sides didn’t even move. What are you trying to justify?

Graham only has a starting o-line. You missed the part where they don’t even have enough for a JV. Starting o-line are backups for d-line, starting d-line are backups for o-line. Graham doesn’t even have a back up QB. They have two that start, one primarily passes & the other works out of Wildcat and primarily runs it. There isn’t a 3rd string QB to put in. No one is making excuses but to imply Graham left all the starters in to run up the score isn’t accurate. Tony Palmer has never been known for running up the score. He normally pulls as many starters as possible in a blowout even when opposing teams don’t.