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Please explain how would it wreck hs sports in more ways to come when Jerry Falwell literally did the same thing with his legal team against the VSHL 🤔? When they allowed a blatant private school join a public league, and not only join but dictate what Classification they would play in (3A) while bringing in a 4⭐️ high RB from New York. That my friend was the day the VHSL lost all it's accreditation and fair market value. So stop it. Until mass corruption is alleviated in totality, I don't want to hear it. And trust me. They wouldn't file that injunction is there wasn't tangible and validated supported evidence and documentation to win.
I totally agree with you on LCA and have expressed the lack of backbone displayed by the participating schools. I am firmly against any type of open enrollment, non custodial, permanent transfers and anything else deemed illegal by our current VHSL guidelines.

Again, read the injunction. It's signed by one parent. No other co-signers. It references the law suit (two different things) as evidence. I was simply using the example of financial loss to prove the justification of an injunction which I don't believe is relevant in this case.

Please take minute and contemplate this. If the Court rules against the member schools then it will make the VHSL irrelevant. This will create a version of the wild West thus giving each child the ability to play anywhere they want without consequences. I ask you again, is this what you want?
 
@Bucktown434, think of it this way. Everybody hates the NCAA, but it's a necessary evil. Without guidelines you simply have another pro league. What is sad is the people who advocate for the super conferences and super teams (high school and college) believe they are helping kids, but in reality they are creating fewer opportunities. Eventually, their will be no revenue for the outsiders thus eliminating scholarship opportunities and a chance to make it out. I have been fighting against this for the kids in Petersburg, Hopewell, Prince George and Dinwiddie for 35 years. You think I am going to stand idly by and watch their futures go down in smoke over some snake oil salesman. Hell to the No!
 
Yea you know it all. I can't wait to see your response on Friday

All I do is that YOU IS BIG MAD. I mean you would think food is being taken off your table, and bills not getting paid the way yall have been praying for this to go in your favor lol. It's crazy.
How about this novel idea? How about we pray that that the outcome sets the example that violating rules that you agreed to abide by carries consequences?
 
I totally agree with you on LCA and have expressed the lack of backbone displayed by the participating schools. I am firmly against any type of open enrollment, non custodial, permanent transfers and anything else deemed illegal by our current VHSL guidelines.

Again, read the injunction. It's signed by one parent. No other co-signers. It references the law suit (two different things) as evidence. I was simply using the example of financial loss to prove the justification of an injunction which I don't believe is relevant in this case.

Please take minute and contemplate this. If the Court rules against the member schools then it will make the VHSL irrelevant. This will create a version of the wild West thus giving each child the ability to play anywhere they want without consequences. I ask you again, is this what you want?
It's not about what I want at this point. I'm just a spectator looking from the outside of mass corruption in football on every single level. From Rec to the NFL. Competitive disadvantages have been created since the inception of sports. There is no such thing as moral compass, true integrity, or liberation. Let's keep it 💯 Mr Navy. Either we as men go watch the sport and or not support it. Period. We tell ourselves to root for the under dog (who do it by the book) and hate the ones who find loopholes and "cheat" to win, when in reality we don't have a clue what's going on.
 
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The lower classification should just play anyways no matter what happens with this. They can't afford to have a delay, it will wreck their winter sports, the football players make up the basketball, wrestling and indoor track teams. Most schools can't field the other teams without the football players. Doesn't effect them one way so, who cares what is going on in NoVa. I still don't understand the fussing over a private school playing with the public schools. Just about every other state has multi private schools competiting against the publics. Va is just late to the party, but no need to get panties all in a wad. As long as the kids live in the school district it doesn't matter where they came from. Nobody is commuting from New York to Lynchburg so that has nothing to do with any of it. Things most be much different in NoVa and the tidewater with non moving transfers. Mass majority of the rest of the state doesn't even have those options or even concerns. But the local school system should never be allowed to conduct the final says investigation and never has before. The vhsl always conducts the deciding investigation. If these other past coaches got away with it, it is because nobody ever reported them to the vhsl. The vhsl doesn't go out actively looking for any of this, it has to be reported to them from a member institution. But it falls on the head coach and AD, they are responsible for the master eligibility list for their teams, it is their job to verify residency. If all the players live in the school district then there is no need for concern. But if they don't, then they are 365'd until that year is up. Only way around that would be open enrollment, but that only works if you live inside the county or city of that school system, can't come from different counties and cities and commute. It's where you lay your head at night 3 days a week. Not where you get mail or say you live. Should be pretty open and closed, they either all live in the district or they don't and then it is simple. But, it wasn't the vhsl that seeked hayfield out. Somebody in your own house turned it in or a neighboring school. That's the only way vhsl ever catches wind. What will be interesting is what attorney's in other parts of the state do, could see some lawsuits from other parts field against Hatfield. Definitely getting my popcorn out, but more than like won't be 💩.
 
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The lower classification should just play anyways no matter what happens with this. They can't afford to have a delay, it will wreck their winter sports, the football players make up the basketball, wrestling and indoor track teams. Most schools can't field the other teams without the football players. Doesn't affect them one way so, who cares what is going on in NoVa. I still don't understand the fussing over a private school playing with the public schools. Just about every other state has multi private schools competiting against the publics. Va is just late to the party, but no need to get panties all in a wad. As long as the kids live in the school district it doesn't matter where they came from. Nobody is commuting from New York to Lynchburg so that has nothing to do with any of it. Things most be much different in NoVa and the tidewater with non moving transfers. Mass majority of the rest of the state doesn't even have those options or even concerns. But the local school system should never be allowed to conduct the final says investigation and never has before. The vhsl always conducts the deciding investigation. If these other past coaches got away with it, it is because nobody ever reported them to the vhsl. The vhsl doesn't go out actively looking for any of this, it has to be reported to them from a member institution. But it falls on the head coach and AD, they are responsible for the master eligibility list for their teams, it is their job to verify residency. If all the players live in the school district then there is no need for concern. But if they don't, then they are 365'd until that year is up. Only way around that would be open enrollment, but that only works if you live inside the county or city of that school system, can't come from different counties and cities and commute. It's where you lay your head at night 3 days a week. Not where you get mail or say you live. Should be pretty open and closed, they either all live in the district or they don't and then it is simple. But, it wasn't the vhsl that seeked hayfield out. Somebody in your own house turned it in or a neighboring school. That's the only way vhsl ever catches wind. What will be interesting is what attorney's in other parts of the state do, could see some lawsuits from other parts field against Hatfield. Definitely getting my popcorn out, but more than like won't be 💩.
Great write up. Most larger localities hire residency compliance officials within their school system to investigate any student in question. We know there’s some sketchy stuff going on with Hayfield but if FCPS has “investigated” and found no issues, then there’s technically nothing the VHSL can really do. It’s not like they can leave Charlottesville and post up at a student athlete’s house in question way in Alexandria. IMO, had Hayfield’s coaches just stayed lowkey, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
 
Great write up. Most larger localities hire residency compliance officials within their school system to investigate any student in question. We know there’s some sketchy stuff going on with Hayfield but if FCPS has “investigated” and found no issues, then there’s technically nothing the VHSL can really do. It’s not like they can leave Charlottesville and post up at a student athlete’s house in question way in Alexandria. IMO, had Hayfield’s coaches just stayed lowkey, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Just curious how were they supposed to stay lowkey? So many people hated on DO at Freedom and when he took his players he brought up since youth league with him to a new school it was only a matter of time people would complain.

Sidenote i saw PME at the state championships last weekend and wow they got some talent coming up. DO might have to go coach private school to avoid this happening again
 
Just curious how were they supposed to stay lowkey? So many people hated on DO at Freedom and when he took his players he brought up since youth league with him to a new school it was only a matter of time people would complain.

Sidenote i saw PME at the state championships last weekend and wow they got some talent coming up. DO might have to go coach private school to avoid this happening again
Bro we both understand the code. If we’re both out doing something illegal and we know it’s hot, we’re not going to bring more attention to ourselves. Check their twitter pages and look at the back and forth with opposing teams, fan bases, and critics. Those coaches were poking the bear. @Bucktown434 made the point that these were black coaches and you, me, and most black folk know that there are a lot of people that didn’t want to see those guys be successful. They were too high key.
 
Bro we both understand the code. If we’re both out doing something illegal and we know it’s hot, we’re not going to bring more attention to ourselves. Check their twitter pages and look at the back and forth with opposing teams, fan bases, and critics. Those coaches were poking the bear. @Bucktown434 made the point that these were black coaches and you, me, and most black folk know that there are a lot of people that didn’t want to see those guys be successful. They were too high key.
I don’t agree with how they did everything and really consider that back and forth online bs very rec league coach like. But hey they have reason to talk so until somebody shuts them up then so be it. They trained these players from kids to young adults…for lack of better wording they “made” this team. I just don’t like how people seem to want to make it bigger than players following their coach…literally all it is. DO has one of the most successful youth organizations in the state so no clue why it would be a surprise his players want to play for him at the Hs level no matter what it takes.


Btw Bo whatever Hs in Richmond that gets the talent from the Glen Lea youth teams is going to be a force in the state within next 3-4 years. I’m sure the majority of them will stay together at next level…and i see zero problem with it.
 
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I don’t agree with how they did everything and really consider that back and forth online bs very rec league coach like. But hey they have reason to talk so until somebody shuts them up then so be it. They trained these players from kids to young adults…for lack of better wording they “made” this team. I just don’t like how people seem to want to make it bigger than players following their coach…literally all it is. DO has one of the most successful youth organizations in the state so no clue why it would be a surprise his players want to play for him at the Hs level no matter what it takes.


Btw Bo whatever Hs in Richmond that gets the talent from the Glen Lea youth teams is going to be a force in the state within next 3-4 years. I’m sure the majority of them will stay together at next level…and i see zero problem with it.
Yeah I agree with 95% of your points but, the “having reasons to talk” led to a lot of unhappy people who were out to get them and they left a paper trail. I live by the stay down til you come up motto. They have a successful youth league organization, they’ve won 3 state championships (was going to get #4 this year), they were going to build a state/national public school in the talent rich DMV area, and they run a good program minus the off the field antics. They were reckless.

Glen Lea is 90% Varina and Highland Springs. You’ll have a very small percentage of kids going to Trinity, Benedictine, or other county schools. A good majority of the 90% goes to Springs but the V gets a good chunk too.
 
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I don’t agree with how they did everything and really consider that back and forth online bs very rec league coach like. But hey they have reason to talk so until somebody shuts them up then so be it. They trained these players from kids to young adults…for lack of better wording they “made” this team. I just don’t like how people seem to want to make it bigger than players following their coach…literally all it is. DO has one of the most successful youth organizations in the state so no clue why it would be a surprise his players want to play for him at the Hs level no matter what it takes.


Btw Bo whatever Hs in Richmond that gets the talent from the Glen Lea youth teams is going to be a force in the state within next 3-4 years. I’m sure the majority of them will stay together at next level…and i see zero problem with it.
Dude please stop it, they did not train the QB he came from two different private schools before he landed at Hayfield nor the Dematha player and before you run to the rescue I’m not saying he can’t coach but boy folks reaching to make a point with their own narrative.
 
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Dude please stop it, they did not train the QB he came from two different private schools before he landed at Hayfield nor the Dematha player and before you run to the rescue I’m not saying he can’t coach but boy folks reaching to make a point with their own narrative.
Ok? That’s two transfers (out of 30) that hoped on board. It ain’t a narrative it’s a fact his team is made up of his kids from PME.
 
Yeah I agree with 95% of your points but, the “having reasons to talk” led to a lot of unhappy people who were out to get them and they left a paper trail. I live by the stay down til you come up motto. They have a successful youth league organization, they’ve won 3 state championships (was going to get #4 this year), they were going to build a state/national public school in the talent rich DMV area, and they run a good program minus the off the field antics. They were reckless.

Glen Lea is 90% Varina and Highland Springs. You’ll have a very small percentage of kids going to Trinity, Benedictine, or other county schools. A good majority of the 90% goes to Springs but the V gets a good chunk too.
If those Glen Lea kids stay together in high school then man the state has hell to pay. And you’ll have your 804 dynasty. I’m calling it now.
 
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Not going to say anything one way or the other on my opinions on the situation as a whole, but this decision is dumb. Instead of screwing Hayfield, the judge effectively decided to screw 8 high schools instead, and Robinson massively so. All of these schools spent so much time prepping for these games, only to have all of them cancelled and the brackets re-drawn. Imagine being told 3 hours before a playoff game that you've been eliminated from the playoffs. I would love to hear what the judge heard in that hearing that made him reverse course on the decision. I certainly hope that none of my tax dollars are going to the lawyer.
 
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Not going to say anything one way or the other on my opinions on the situation as a whole, but this decision is dumb. Instead of screwing Hayfield, the judge effectively decided to screw 8 high schools instead, and Robinson massively so. All of these schools spent so much time prepping for these games, only to have all of them cancelled and the brackets re-drawn. Imagine being told 3 hours before a playoff game that you've been eliminated from the playoffs. I would love to hear what the judge heard in that hearing that made him reverse course on the decision. I certainly hope that none of my tax dollars are going to the lawyer.
That is a great take.
 
...not sure how Region C even holds playoff games tonite... This really screws the prior slate of schools in prep time and as @PhoenixHS says concession revenues.
 
Not going to say anything one way or the other on my opinions on the situation as a whole, but this decision is dumb. Instead of screwing Hayfield, the judge effectively decided to screw 8 high schools instead, and Robinson massively so. All of these schools spent so much time prepping for these games, only to have all of them cancelled and the brackets re-drawn. Imagine being told 3 hours before a playoff game that you've been eliminated from the playoffs. I would love to hear what the judge heard in that hearing that made him reverse course on the decision. I certainly hope that none of my tax dollars are going to the lawyer.
Yeah man timing is everything. Had they wrapped this up by mid season we wouldn’t be at this point.
 
...not sure how Region C even holds playoff games tonite... This really screws the prior slate of schools in prep time and as @PhoenixHS says concession revenues.
They can’t have games because Hayfield slides in and everybody shifts down. I’m curious what they do as far as playing first round games now. The whole state can’t be on pause waiting on one region and one region can’t be behind the state. This ruling created an even bigger mess.
 
They can’t have games because Hayfield slides in and everybody shifts down. I’m curious what they do as far as playing first round games now. The whole state can’t be on pause waiting on one region and one region can’t be behind the state. This ruling created an even bigger mess.
If I had to guess they'll play the first round games on Tuesday and the second round on Friday. That's usually the protocol for rainouts in the regular season
 
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