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Official 1A Ratings

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VaPreps Varsity
Aug 27, 2010
740
126
43
EAST
1. Riverheads 7-0 -- 25.71429
2. Sussex Central 7-0 -- 24.28571
3. Altavista 5-2 -- 20.57143
4. Central Lunenburg 6-1 -- 20.42857
5. Franklin 5-2 -- 20.14286
6. Luray 5-2 -- 18.85714
7. Colonial Beach 5-2 -- 18.00000
8. Northumberland 5-2 -- 17.85714
9. Essex 2-5 -- 17.00000
10. William Campbell 3-4 -- 15.71429
11. Lancaster 4-3 -- 15.57143
12. Surry 4-3 -- 15.00000

13. Northampton 4-3 -- 14.14286
14. Charles City 2-5 -- 12.85714
15. West Point 2-4-1 -- 12.71429
16. Mathews 3-4 --12.71429
17. Middlesex 2-5 -- 10.85714
18. Stonewall Jackson 0-7 -- 10.42857
19. Rappahannock 1-6 -- 10.14286
20. Windsor 0-7 -- 9.14286
21. King & Queen 0-6-1 8.85714

Some of these ratings are different from what I have because VHSL has West Point/King & Queen as a tie. West Point won 75-0 I believe.


WEST
1. Hurley 7-0 -- 22.00000
2. George Wythe 6-1 -- 21.57143
3. Galax 5-2 -- 20.71429
4. Patrick Henry GS 6-1 -- 19.85714
5. Fort Chiswell 5-2 -- 19.42857
6. Parry McCluer 6-1 -- 19.28571
7. Chilhowie 6-2 -- 18.62500
8. Narrows 5-2 -- 16.71429
9. JI Burton 4-3 -- 15.85714
10. Castlewood 5-3 -- 15.62500
11. Covington 5-3 -- 15.50000
12. Radford 3-4 -- 14.85714
13. Twin Valley 4-3 -- 14.42857
14. Rural Retreat 2-5 -- 14.00000
15. Twin Springs 3-4 -- 13.28571
16. Bland County 4-3 -- 13.28571

17. Auburn 3-4 -- 12.85714
18. Honaker 2-6 -- 11.87500
19. Thomas Walker 2-5 -- 11.42857
20. Eastside 2-6 -- 11.00000
21. Bath County 1-6 -- 10.57143
22. Northwood 1-7 -- 10.50000
23. Holston 1-6 -- 10.42857
24. Eastern Montgomery 1-6 -- 9.28571
25. Rye Cove 0-6 -- 7.83333
26. Craig County 0-8 -- 7.62500
 
It is probably not too early for you to answer this question.....if Riverheads and Sussex each run the table the rest of the way, who comes out on top?
 
longtimerhsfan said:
It is probably not too early for you to answer this question.....if Riverheads and Sussex each run the table the rest of the way, who comes out on top?
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Here is a breakdown between the two teams IF they both win out. Riverheads should get #1 seed between the two. Hope this makes sense.

Riverheads (7-0)(currently 180 points)
2A Wilson Memorial(2-5) 18+4=22
1A Stonewall Jackson(0-7) 16+0=16
2A Stuarts Draft(7-0) 18+14=32
180+22+16+32=250

Guaranteed rider points: 18
Possible rider points: 14, RE Lee-6, Covington-4,Waynesboro-4

250+18=268(minimum)
268+14=282(maximum)


Sussex (7-0)(currently 170 points)
2A Brunswick(2-5) 18+4=22
2A Greensville(2-5) 18+4=22
1A Surry(4-3) 16+8=24

170+22+22+24=238

Guaranteed rider points: 18
Possible rider points left: 14, Trinity Episcopal-2, Charles City-6, Colonial Beach-6

238+18=256(minimum)
256+14=270(maximum)
 
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Its placement not who beat who. If we want a higher seeding we have to change our Schedule. Even if Parry McCluer wins out they will be lucky to have enough points to finish 5th. Just the way it is.
 
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For what its worth though. I added the points last night and had P.M. and Fort in A tie for 5th but then I was never very good at math.
 
PM wins out they will be a #4 seed. Cov has 5 wins, FC will win at least 1 more, Bath has 1 win. The points of dc those wins in addition to the rider points, PM will finish around 20.24 which would place them in the #4 spot. West will be a tough go for anyone that has to go through PM for sure. They lost to Hurley in last year's playoffs I don't see that happening again given PM's team speed and size. My top 4 in the west...
1. PM
2. HE
3. Hurley
4. Galax
PM needs to strengthen their schedule and pick up maybe Wilson and Allegheny Co. They would smash both of those teams anyway why not play them? SJ and Nelson has to go if PM wants points. They done the job in beating them so can't hate on PM but they need a tougher schedule. I agree with bgboy38 though, If PM would have left the starters in the final score against FC would be 70-7 instead of 50-14.
 
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FC will get a good bump too playing Graham next week. A win would be worth 26 points, a loss would still be 13.
 
oldballcoach13 said:
PM wins out they will be a #4 seed. Cov has 5 wins, FC will win at least 1 more, Bath has 1 win. The points of dc those wins in addition to the rider points, PM will finish around 20.24 which would place them in the #4 spot. West will be a tough go for anyone that has to go through PM for sure. They lost to Hurley in last year's playoffs I don't see that happening again given PM's team speed and size. My top 4 in the west...
1. PM
2. HE
3. Hurley
4. Galax
PM needs to strengthen their schedule and pick up maybe Wilson and Allegheny Co. They would smash both of those teams anyway why not play them? SJ and Nelson has to go if PM wants points. They done the job in beating them so can't hate on PM but they need a tougher schedule. I agree with bgboy38 though, If PM would have left the starters in the final score against FC would be 70-7 instead of 50-14.
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Not arguing your top 4 but who is HE?
 
oldballcoach13 said:
PM wins out they will be a #4 seed. Cov has 5 wins, FC will win at least 1 more, Bath has 1 win. The points of dc those wins in addition to the rider points, PM will finish around 20.24 which would place them in the #4 spot. West will be a tough go for anyone that has to go through PM for sure. They lost to Hurley in last year's playoffs I don't see that happening again given PM's team speed and size. My top 4 in the west...
1. PM
2. HE
3. Hurley
4. Galax
PM needs to strengthen their schedule and pick up maybe Wilson and Allegheny Co. They would smash both of those teams anyway why not play them? SJ and Nelson has to go if PM wants points. They done the job in beating them so can't hate on PM but they need a tougher schedule. I agree with bgboy38 though, If PM would have left the starters in the final score against FC would be 70-7 instead of 50-14.
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Riverheads is just up the road and we would love to play PM ! Look what points they would give !
 
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Riverheads is a 1A but according to the enrollment they should be 2A. Not quite sure how that slips through the cracks but it does. Riverheads and Essex both should be up according to the numbers.
 
The last three years at Riverheads the enrollment has been...487..477..478....the cutoff for 1A is 475. Just saying. I know how they get away with it but that's a different matter.
 
Even better for the points. Riverheads has been bounced back and forth but A2 or A1 doesn't matter. All that matters is the points you get for the game. I wish the AD's would make it happen again.
 
oldballcoach13 said:
The last three years at Riverheads the enrollment has been...487..477..478....the cutoff for 1A is 475. Just saying. I know how they get away with it but that's a different matter.
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Your info is not correct sir and if you are accusing some wrong doing with the numbers , your team most likely sucks ! Or you just dont like the Red Team !
 
Xcross said:
Your info is not correct sir and if you are accusing some wrong doing with the numbers , your team most likely sucks ! Or you just dont like the Red Team !
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This makes no sense. How is it that if someone said the number is different that their team sucks? Couldn't it be someone from Galax? Or someone from Phoebus? Or Salem
 
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Essex has always been under the 475 enrollment as well. They are one of the bigger 1A schools but have never been over the max. Actually this school year they are probably way under the limit
 
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Bgboy38 said:
Yes I agree we need to strengthen our schedule. There was a time when we did play all these schools. I remember playing Staunton River
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Remember in the late 90's when they had Harrisonburg, Alleghany, Rockbridge, Radford, and Riverheads as 5 of their 6 non-district opponents? lol
 
Top ranked Hurley checking in with 176 students...yet they're going to be expected to play schools nearly 3 times their own size come playoff time.

Said it before and I'll say it again, cutoff for 1A should be 400 FLAT. 2A 401-750. 3A 751-1450. 4A 1451-up. A lot of folks want to whine about how there are too many state champions, but what they really mean is they want 1A/2A combined and then break down the rest into 3-4 divisions. It's bullcrap.

16 teams make the playoffs in my format, think about some of the matchups you'd see, without all the first round garbage.
 
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Old Ball coach, Riverheads has 474 students. This figure is on the VHSL website site. I posted
Those numbers on a new thread to help clarify which classification Riverheads should be
Placed, A1 or A2.

Read the thread on alignment figures, as posted by the VHSL.

Fort Chiswell and Radford has more than 475, thus both must move to A2 next year,
If I understand the VHSL correctly. The cap for A1 is 475 students.
 
The numbers used for classification purposes is a proposed number, because it must be done in advance. In other words it is a guess. Then for funding purposes they use the actual enrollment, and funding is adjusted up or down as required. So basically a school close to a bubble number can almost choose which classification they want to be in.
 
Twobyfour said:
The numbers used for classification purposes is a proposed number, because it must be done in advance. In other words it is a guess. Then for funding purposes they use the actual enrollment, and funding is adjusted up or down as required. So basically a school close to a bubble number can almost choose which classification they want to be in.
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Yep, basically schools can "guess" 470 students and then when the real numbers come out..Oops, we have 495 kids, "my bad, hur hur"
 
oldballcoach13 said:
Riverheads is a 1A but according to the enrollment they should be 2A. Not quite sure how that slips through the cracks but it does. Riverheads and Essex both should be up according to the numbers.
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Just saw some of VT whip up on Miami tonight 37-16. Great Hokie crowd!

As kwhs95fan mentioned, Essex is way down in numbers this year. Essex (last student number I saw) was in the 380s or 390s this year. I'm sure Riverheads is where they say they are too.

As far as I understand it, these student enrollment numbers used by the VHSL are averages of the schools ADA (average daily attendance). Schools want them as high as possible because that is how schools get their funding from the state/feds. I think its like around 5 grand per student now in Virginia, maybe more (may depend on school district).

The folks in charge (the Suits) want the money. Most are way more concerned with accuracy and the money than sports. No doubt.

For example, I think W&L had to go 2A for two years because they were at like 479 students for the average used. 4 students over the line. I'm sure that they did not want to play in 2A.
 
According to what I saw in our local paper last month Essex had 381 students enrolled on the first day of school. Way off from the 439 that was projected and what the VHSL has
 
uvacavs1 said:
Just saw some of VT whip up on Miami tonight 37-16. Great Hokie crowd!

As kwhs95fan mentioned, Essex is way down in numbers this year. Essex (last student number I saw) was in the 380s or 390s this year. I'm sure Riverheads is where they say they are too.

As far as I understand it, these student enrollment numbers used by the VHSL are averages of the schools ADA (average daily attendance). Schools want them as high as possible because that is how schools get their funding from the state/feds. I think its like around 5 grand per student now in Virginia, maybe more (may depend on school district).

The folks in charge (the Suits) want the money. Most are way more concerned with accuracy and the money than sports. No doubt.

For example, I think W&L had to go 2A for two years because they were at like 479 students for the average used. 4 students over the line. I'm sure that they did not want to play in 2A.
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Schools want them high, not necessarily the AD. Money can be made up with football gates provided you have a good team. Also, no one wants to have to have to write a check for overestimating. If you project 400, then only have 380, and you get money for 400, then you have 20 kids you have to give back for. At least that's how I understand it.
 
Twobyfour said:
Schools want them high, not necessarily the AD. Money can be made up with football gates provided you have a good team. Also, no one wants to have to have to write a check for overestimating. If you project 400, then only have 380, and you get money for 400, then you have 20 kids you have to give back for. At least that's how I understand it.
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So it seems that unless the admin up top have a great relationship with the AD, the numbers are probably pretty accurate. Wouldn't make any sense to overestimate if you have to give money back and it wouldn't make any sense to underestimate if the school is going to be underfunded up front. If it is 5 grand per student, that would mean the school needs about 1000 tickets sold to make up underestimating for one student (at $5 a ticket). So if a school had 490, wanted to be 1A, projected 474. 16 students under their enrollment x 5000= $80,000 of budget money. That is about 16000 tickets sold over 5 home games= 3200 tickets per game. You better hope you are really good and/or have a ton of support. I don't know many 1A schools packing 3000 people in on every Friday night.

In other words... if the same number is used for funding as well as classification, Schools are probably being as accurate as possible and probably aren't off by more than a couple students.
 
The govt doesn't cut the check for schools at the beginning of the year. Schools turn in their numbers to the govt early as an estimate for budgeting purposes and the VHSL begins to use those for alignment discussion. Official ADM is signed off on by superintendents and turned in around March - no fudging those numbers. VHSL uses those for their finalizing of alignment. Schools can then ask for an adjustment to their ADM numbers based on certain factors. The league office, I believe, makes the adjustments to the the ADMs and gives those final numbers to the alignment committee.
 
Fort is higher because of their overall strength of schedule but anyone who doesn't think PM isn't legit is sadly mistaken. Have seen some video of them and was very impressed. Come late November and December they are gonna be tough to beat with that physical ground game. Very few if any 1A school can put 3 guys in the backfield who are all over 6 foot and 210 pounds and all will play at the next level. Definitely will be an exciting playoffs out west and out here in the east as well. There are about 5 or 6 teams that may stand out a little more than others but upsets do happen and any team can get hot and click at the right time.
 
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I'm not saying they do, I know they have some weak teams on there schedule But that is like saying Fort is better than PM and clearly there not.
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It's not saying they are better, it's just how playoffs are calculated. Just think of ncaa or nfl, a team can beat someone and still be lower than them, mainly ncaa because of who you play rest of year.
 
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