Virginia Preps Top 10

[schoolboard]

Here is their Top 10, and then my thoughts:

1. Goochland
2. Union
3. Appomattox
4. Clarke County
5. Poquoson
6. Graham
7. Glenvar
8. Stuarts Draft
9. Robert E. Lee-Staunton
10. Gretna

If Stuarts Draft and Robert E. Lee are in the top 10, then Central(Woodstock) and Luray can't be too far below.

 

[Kimosabe5]

Another undefeated team left off is Marion. #1 in Region D power points, but can't crack the overall top 10. Interesting. Weak schedule?

 

[spartanwinger]

Lol, whoever picked that top ten has to be from east

 

[Twobyfour]

I said it before the season and I will say again. Poquoson is overated. They barely beat NK this past week, which is not a very good team at all

 

[oldfool]

This will change very quickly now. Some teams weak schedules are coming to an end.

 

[Gunz41]

Here is their Top 10, and then my thoughts:

1. Goochland
2. Union
3. Appomattox
4. Clarke County
5. Poquoson
6. Graham
7. Glenvar
8. Stuarts Draft
9. Robert E. Lee-Staunton
10. Gretna

If Stuarts Draft and Robert E. Lee are in the top 10, then Central(Woodstock) and Luray can't be too far below.

I don't think these things matter, and of course they will change and has to include strength of schedule, but Luray should be in there. Robert E Lee is undefeated, and has played a decent schedule so far, I don't think SD has played as tough a schedule as of yet, with only Riverheads and Waynesboro being teams who would be considered playoff teams.

And apparently Gretna isn't very good. They are undefeated but their coach sucks, so it must be that their schedule has been full of cupcakes, and not the full sized cupcakes, but the one bite ones. Otherwise, I don't know how you can be a terrible coach and be undefeated, you can't do much better than that if I recall. Or maybe it is they aren't scoring 60 points a game?

 

[Kimosabe5]

I said it before the season and I will say again. Poquoson is overated. They barely beat NK this past week, which is not a very good team at all

We'll learn a lot about Poquoson this weekend and Oct 27 when they play 4A Warhill and Lafayette

 

[19GHS87]

Graham and Union in region D are legit. Appo, Giles in region C are legit. Don't know much about some of the others.

 

[ClarkeFan83]

Graham and Union in region D are legit. Appo, Giles in region C are legit. Don't know much about some of the others.

I know region B Clarke is legit!

 

[Kimosabe5]

Giles has 2 losses but would beat Gretna by 3+ TDs.

 

[oldfool]

Obvious vaprep did not consider strength of schedules.

 

[pizzzzza]

I agree with a lot of the comments in this thread, and the season's approaching the halfway point...but it's always fun to see the different opinions out there.

Here's my Top 10 and Honorable Mentions - open to comments, etc....

1. Appomattox - still think they have enough to win a 3rd straight title
2. Goochland - have been very impressive through 4 games giving up only 28 points
3. Union - will be a tough out in the playoffs
4. Clarke County - solid 4-0 start behind powerhouse running back Payton Rutherford
5. Central - Woodstock - have steamrolled through first 4 opponents
6. Glenvar - averaging 38 points per game during solid 5-0 start
7. Luray - made a believe out of many with tough win at Buffalo Gap - which was their least margin of victory (10) so far this season
8. Graham - 1-1 in OT games against quality opponents ( Bluefield, WV and Giles)
9. Poquoson - defense has given up 28 points in 4-0 start, but has tough opponents upcoming
10. Robert E. Lee-Staunton - averaging nearly 50 points in their 5-0 start - still has to face district foes Luray, Riverheads and Stuarts Draft

HM:
Giles
Gretna
Marion
Stuarts Draft

 

[obguthr]

My 10:
1 Union
2 Appomattox county
3 Graham
4 Clarke county
5 Goochland
6 Giles
7 Glenvar
8 Stuarts Draft (probably will fall out soon)
9 Dan River
10 Richlands (don't let that record fool ya, it's still Richlands)

 

[Gunz41]

My 10:
1 Union
2 Appomattox county
3 Graham
4 Clarke county
5 Goochland
6 Giles
7 Glenvar
8 Stuarts Draft (probably will fall out soon)
9 Dan River
10 Richlands (don't let that record fool ya, it's still Richlands)

No Robert E Lee? No Luray? AND Stuarts Draft is going to fall out soon? Dont feel very highly of Shenandoah huh. If neither Lee or Luray make the cut, who is going to knock SD out?

 

[obguthr]

No Robert E Lee? No Luray? AND Stuarts Draft is going to fall out soon? Dont feel very highly of Shenandoah huh. If neither Lee or Luray make the cut, who is going to knock SD out?

My top 10 are solely from my algorithm. My observations support it too. 2016 Stuarts Draft was dominant and the defense was as tough as I've seen at this level. 2017 Stuarts Draft doesn't look nearly as good. Predictable offense and a good (not dominant) defense. Draft-Lee to end the season will be a good show. I've seen Lee twice, so far, and I think Lee is a little better. Draft-Gap next week will be good too. Gap is too good to already have 3 losses, but the schedule makers dealt them a crappy hand. If they finish strong, they can still manage a respectable playoff seed.

As for Luray, the win against Gap was impressive, but they really have played a soft schedule to this point. I expect they will lose to Lee, then Riverheads. Draft may beat them as well. By then, no one will be left on their bandwagon. They will make the playoffs and not be an easy out, but I think they will get a tough first round matchup.

I think my top 10 will hold up until the end of the year, except Draft and possibly Giles, I'm sad to say. A loss to Glenvar will probably knock them from the top 10. Taking their places would be Marion and/or Poquoson. Both are good, but just how good is really hard to tell at this point. Marion's wins have come against 1A teams, albeit good ones. Poquoson's wins have come against 3A and 4A, but not exactly the cream of the crop. Friday's game against Warhill will tell us more about how good they are. Marion should cruise for the next two weeks to 7-0, but that's when the rubber hits the road for them. Richlands, Virginia, then Graham. That's brutal.

 

[Intrinsicrewards]

1. Appomattox
2. Union
3. Goochland
4. Glenvar
5. Clarke County
6. Giles
7. Poquoson
8. RE Lee
9. Richlands
10. Gretna

Based on the playoff format, we will never really know who the real top four are. The real championship will probably be played in the regions but teams will travel less, more rivalries will be created and we will see a boost in attendance at games that are closer to fan bases.

 

[eh31]

1. Appomattox
2. Union
3. Goochland
4. Glenvar
5. Clarke County
6. Giles
7. Poquoson
8. RE Lee
9. Richlands
10. Gretna

Based on the playoff format, we will never really know who the real top four are. The real championship will probably be played in the regions but teams will travel less, more rivalries will be created and we will see a boost in attendance at games that are closer to fan bases.

Did you mean to leave off Graham ?

 

[schoolboard]

My top 10 are solely from my algorithm. My observations support it too. 2016 Stuarts Draft was dominant and the defense was as tough as I've seen at this level. 2017 Stuarts Draft doesn't look nearly as good. Predictable offense and a good (not dominant) defense. Draft-Lee to end the season will be a good show. I've seen Lee twice, so far, and I think Lee is a little better. Draft-Gap next week will be good too. Gap is too good to already have 3 losses, but the schedule makers dealt them a crappy hand. If they finish strong, they can still manage a respectable playoff seed.

As for Luray, the win against Gap was impressive, but they really have played a soft schedule to this point. I expect they will lose to Lee, then Riverheads. Draft may beat them as well. By then, no one will be left on their bandwagon. They will make the playoffs and not be an easy out, but I think they will get a tough first round matchup.

I think my top 10 will hold up until the end of the year, except Draft and possibly Giles, I'm sad to say. A loss to Glenvar will probably knock them from the top 10. Taking their places would be Marion and/or Poquoson. Both are good, but just how good is really hard to tell at this point. Marion's wins have come against 1A teams, albeit good ones. Poquoson's wins have come against 3A and 4A, but not exactly the cream of the crop. Friday's game against Warhill will tell us more about how good they are. Marion should cruise for the next two weeks to 7-0, but that's when the rubber hits the road for them. Richlands, Virginia, then Graham. That's brutal.

Stonewall was putting up points on Lee in 1st quarter against their starters. Why do you expect Lee will beat Luray? Compared to game against Stonewall, Luray would have to be favored.

 

[Gunz41]

My top 10 are solely from my algorithm. My observations support it too. 2016 Stuarts Draft was dominant and the defense was as tough as I've seen at this level. 2017 Stuarts Draft doesn't look nearly as good. Predictable offense and a good (not dominant) defense. Draft-Lee to end the season will be a good show. I've seen Lee twice, so far, and I think Lee is a little better. Draft-Gap next week will be good too. Gap is too good to already have 3 losses, but the schedule makers dealt them a crappy hand. If they finish strong, they can still manage a respectable playoff seed.

As for Luray, the win against Gap was impressive, but they really have played a soft schedule to this point. I expect they will lose to Lee, then Riverheads. Draft may beat them as well. By then, no one will be left on their bandwagon. They will make the playoffs and not be an easy out, but I think they will get a tough first round matchup.

I think my top 10 will hold up until the end of the year, except Draft and possibly Giles, I'm sad to say. A loss to Glenvar will probably knock them from the top 10. Taking their places would be Marion and/or Poquoson. Both are good, but just how good is really hard to tell at this point. Marion's wins have come against 1A teams, albeit good ones. Poquoson's wins have come against 3A and 4A, but not exactly the cream of the crop. Friday's game against Warhill will tell us more about how good they are. Marion should cruise for the next two weeks to 7-0, but that's when the rubber hits the road for them. Richlands, Virginia, then Graham. That's brutal.

I'm not upset you left my team out or anything, my point was at least 1 of the 3 would have to beat the others, unless you think Lee, Luray, SD, BG, and ER are all going to beat each other. Of course I think my team will win, and I have no clue about your algorithm but SD could just as easily been undefeated with a 3 point loss. And I don't know how an algorithm tells about a predictable offense, they scored 2 less points than last year against RH, admittedly played bad against Page, and played a lot of backups 2nd half against Fort.

My opinion is at least 2 district teams end in top 10

 

[obguthr]

Stonewall was putting up points on Lee in 1st quarter against their starters. Why do you expect Lee will beat Luray? Compared to game against Stonewall, Luray would have to be favored.

Lee has speed and depth. Luray looked dominant in the one game I saw them play, but that was against Madison. I hate to say it, but Madison may be the worst team in 2A this year. I honestly think RappCo might beat them on Friday.

 

[obguthr]

I'm not upset you left my team out or anything, my point was at least 1 of the 3 would have to beat the others, unless you think Lee, Luray, SD, BG, and ER are all going to beat each other. Of course I think my team will win, and I have no clue about your algorithm but SD could just as easily been undefeated with a 3 point loss. And I don't know how an algorithm tells about a predictable offense, they scored 2 less points than last year against RH, admittedly played bad against Page, and played a lot of backups 2nd half against Fort.

My opinion is at least 2 district teams end in top 10

I think Lee, Luray, Draft, and Gap are all very close and they will indeed take turns beating each other. Hell, I think someone might be Riverheads too. There's certainly some great games to be played in the Shenandoah District this year, but I can't put them up with the likes of Appo, Graham, or Union. Clarke would win the Shenandoah pretty handley. The Region B playoffs will essentially be the Shenandoah District plus Central and Clarke, so we'll see.

 

[Gunz41]

I think Lee, Luray, Draft, and Gap are all very close and they will indeed take turns beating each other. Hell, I think someone might be Riverheads too. There's certainly some great games to be played in the Shenandoah District this year, but I can't put them up with the likes of Appo, Graham, or Union. Clarke would win the Shenandoah pretty handley. The Region B playoffs will essentially be the Shenandoah District plus Central and Clarke, so we'll see.

I don't know a lot about those teams, and I certainly wouldn't rank any of the Shenandoah teams at top now, that spot should be Appomattox until proven otherwise. And a lot has to do with health and of course what happens the rest of the season, but I would be willing to bet any algorithm wouldn't have put a Blacksburg at top last year, certainly wouldn't have had Stuarts Draft last year, and SD would have been way down the year they were 14 seed and went down to 9-1 3 seed Dan River and beat them bad. At this time, I would have Robert E Lee and Luray ahead of my team, so it has nothing to do with that. Robert E Lee beat a pretty decent Rockbridge pretty badly. I think that RB team finishes 2nd in Valley

 

[mbonape1]

I am new to this 2A board but I wanted to chime in and hear what you guys think of Goochland. They are obliterating teams on their schedule. Is this a result of a weak schedule, are they a powerhouse team, or is the truth somewhere in between?

 

[Gunz41]

I am new to this 2A board but I wanted to chime in and hear what you guys think of Goochland. They are obliterating teams on their schedule. Is this a result of a weak schedule, are they a powerhouse team, or is the truth somewhere in between?

They are usually very good. Usually a deep run. They played Appomattox (Not a normal 2a team past 2 years) closer than anyone in playoffs.

 

[mbonape1]

They are usually very good. Usually a deep run. They played Appomattox (Not a normal 2a team past 2 years) closer than anyone in playoffs.

2A is pretty deep this year huh? I need to keep an eye on this!

 

[obguthr]

I am new to this 2A board but I wanted to chime in and hear what you guys think of Goochland. They are obliterating teams on their schedule. Is this a result of a weak schedule, are they a powerhouse team, or is the truth somewhere in between?

Both. Goochland should have no problems in Region A this year, except for maybe Poquoson. I would get film on them pronto if I was Goochland's coach. Same advice for Poquoson's coach. These teams are on a collision course and probably know nothing about each other.

 

[LHS Rams]

Living in Poquoson now and saw them play the first half against New Kent last Friday...the Bulls have a good defense and mediocre offense. I think they'll fare pretty well in 2A once the playoffs roll around, but they're going to have trouble with Smithfield, Lafayette and, perhaps, Warhill. Then again, doesn't it make sense that they might struggle with those teams? I believe they all compete in 4A and are having a solid year so far, particularly Lafayette, which is no surprise. If Poquoson was a powerhouse, I could see them potentially beating those good teams that are two divisions/classes above them, but they're not. As I mentioned, I think they'll be able to hold their own against good 2A competition...we'll see.

 

[Intrinsicrewards]

Did you mean to leave off Graham ?

Nope..Would have put them right above Giles except for the injuries to key players. Unless you have different information, that is the only reason I left them off.

 

[gwb16]

Living in Poquoson now and saw them play the first half against New Kent last Friday...the Bulls have a good defense and mediocre offense. I think they'll fare pretty well in 2A once the playoffs roll around, but they're going to have trouble with Smithfield, Lafayette and, perhaps, Warhill. Then again, doesn't it make sense that they might struggle with those teams? I believe they all compete in 4A and are having a solid year so far, particularly Lafayette, which is no surprise. If Poquoson was a powerhouse, I could see them potentially beating those good teams that are two divisions/classes above them, but they're not. As I mentioned, I think they'll be able to hold their own against good 2A competition...we'll see.

Poquoson will take Lafayette and Warhill down to the wire, like they do "most years". Bulls do exceptionally well against teams runnig the Wing T, the offenses are very similar. And for some reason, Poquoson ALWAYS plays a really good game against Lafayette and Smithfield. Regardless of records.

Just my two cents here, but anyone who sleeps on Poquoson will get their feelings hurt. Ask Handley and Richlands from a few years ago....I know, I know, different faces, different years...but the premise remains the same. Do not overlook those Bull Islanders. Or better yet....just ignore them, they love that underdog status more than anything in the world.

 

[LHS Rams]

Poquoson will take Lafayette and Warhill down to the wire, like they do "most years". Bulls do exceptionally well against teams runnig the Wing T, the offenses are very similar. And for some reason, Poquoson ALWAYS plays a really good game against Lafayette and Smithfield. Regardless of records.

Just my two cents here, but anyone who sleeps on Poquoson will get their feelings hurt. Ask Handley and Richlands from a few years ago....I know, I know, different faces, different years...but the premise remains the same. Do not overlook those Bull Islanders. Or better yet....just ignore them, they love that underdog status more than anything in the world.

Good stuff, gwb16...I hope Poquoson does well, as my family and I live there now. They have great support from the community and play hard!

Do you keep up with IWA?

 

[hawknation92]

Giles has 2 losses but would beat Gretna by 3+ TDs.

Very bold prediction. Don't know Gretna could beat Giles but do know Giles has never beat Gretna. We will learn a little tomorrow night as Giles plays Radford. Know we didn't score alot on them but defence pitched shut out with Radford's only points on punt block. Gretna defense only gave up 5 yards on 30 attempts rushing and 35 yards passing and only four first downs in entire game.

 

[Xcross]

Any 2A team in the Shenandoah should not be in the top ten unless they can get a win over little ole 1A Riverheads. The bench mark has been set , get a W over the Red Team and you should be a contender in 2A . Weather it be coaching or just better players , just get it done then you have a point ! jmo

 

[Gunz41]

Any 2A team in the Shenandoah should not be in the top ten unless they can get a win over little ole 1A Riverheads. The bench mark has been set , get a W over the Red Team and you should be a contender in 2A . Weather it be coaching or just better players , just get it done then you have a point ! jmo

So then Blacksburg shouldn't be top 10 in 4a as they lost to 3a Lord Botetourt? Doesn't matter what the team does rest of the year against any other opponent, you lose to 1 team and you aren't a contender?

 

[singlewinger92]

Very bold prediction. Don't know Gretna could beat Giles but do know Giles has never beat Gretna. We will learn a little tomorrow night as Giles plays Radford. Know we didn't score alot on them but defence pitched shut out with Radford's only points on punt block. Gretna defense only gave up 5 yards on 30 attempts rushing and 35 yards passing and only four first downs in entire game.

Some teams just always play you better. No matter what kind of team Radford has they will play Giles well, they always do. That being said I'm not saying Gretna is not a good team because I have not seen them.

 

[Kimosabe5]

Very bold prediction. Don't know Gretna could beat Giles but do know Giles has never beat Gretna. We will learn a little tomorrow night as Giles plays Radford. Know we didn't score alot on them but defence pitched shut out with Radford's only points on punt block. Gretna defense only gave up 5 yards on 30 attempts rushing and 35 yards passing and only four first downs in entire game.

Possibly we will find out come playoff time, otherwise we may never know. Just my opinion that Giles would make my top 10 over Gretna. I think if you flip flopped their schedules Giles is undefeated and Gretna has at least 2 losses, maybe 3. I also saw both teams play last year and don't see Gretna closing what I saw as a large gap from a year ago. But you are correct, we get a hint this weekend as Giles plays a "like" opponent in Radford. Gretna beat Radford, but it looked pretty close.

 

[Xcross]

So then Blacksburg shouldn't be top 10 in 4a as they lost to 3a Lord Botetourt? Doesn't matter what the team does rest of the year against any other opponent, you lose to 1 team and you aren't a contender?

Speaking of the Shenandoah ! Can't say much about the rest of the state !

 

[HS-SportsFan]

Living in Poquoson now and saw them play the first half against New Kent last Friday...the Bulls have a good defense and mediocre offense. I think they'll fare pretty well in 2A once the playoffs roll around, but they're going to have trouble with Smithfield, Lafayette and, perhaps, Warhill. Then again, doesn't it make sense that they might struggle with those teams? I believe they all compete in 4A and are having a solid year so far, particularly Lafayette, which is no surprise. If Poquoson was a powerhouse, I could see them potentially beating those good teams that are two divisions/classes above them, but they're not. As I mentioned, I think they'll be able to hold their own against good 2A competition...we'll see.

A good defense will certainly take a team deep into the playoffs, but a mediocre offense?

 

[Gunz41]

Speaking of the Shenandoah ! Can't say much about the rest of the state !

It is the same logic. If a higher class team loses to lower class team. And if you go off of rankings, RH is like 40 in state, ahead of teams in way higher classifications. Just losing to them does not knock someone out of contending

 

[schoolboard]

I was searching the internet to find out what year it was that Luray and Goochland played in the 1990s, and I found a really cool website that is easy enough for me to navigate. Just go here http://cougarfootball.net/vhsl_playoffs/
and click on a year. The year I was searching for by the way was 1993.

 

[LHS Rams]

A good defense will certainly take a team deep into the playoffs, but a mediocre offense?

I think they'll be able to lean on their defense enough to make a solid playoff run...we'll see how they do against an elite 2A team, if they get to that point.