There absolutely have been some that chose to come to EV when entering high school, but not anywhere close to what some people in the county would think.
4B opinions after 3 weeks
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Don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for what EV has done. I have been one of the few on here who was talking them up the last few years. I have been on the opposite sideline coaching against them and they are truly first class. Not to tear off any scabs but I argued last year that they would have beat Louisa by a couple scores on turf, or at least a good grass surface. My only point was that they won't be able to benefit from players "deciding" to play for them going forward and, in my opinion, will bring them back to earth a bit. Maybe instead of beating everyone in the Battlefield by 35, they will only beat everyone by 28!!!
Gotcha, thanks for interjecting. I am "ass u me"ing what is going on based on what I know happens in Stafford. Good luck to Culpeper and EV going forward!!!
One could argue that had they been in a competitive game or two during the season they may have had the experience to finish those close games.
I've seen many games by both teams the last several years. I knew last year that Culpeper's run to the 3A state semi's was fool's gold. Most everyone knew that too considering the teams they played. Yes, if you had a choice you would be better to go to EV. Not sure what's going to happen with the new coach this year at Culpeper. Unfortunately he had a serious medical issue and hasn't actually been on the sidelines for a game yet. Even though they were shut-out again this year, I would say that Culpeper looked better against EV this year than they have in a long while.
Damn, sorry to hear about the coach, sucks for the kids (and obviously the coach). Do you know anything about Culpeper joining the Battlefield after this two year schedule?
IMO they should, but if I had to guess I would say they will try to stay in the district they're in for over-all sport competitiveness reasons.
I hate to be a cynical, but what the heck is the purpose of playing teams you cream and embarrass in the first quarter? 41-0 Eastern View over Charlottesville and it's not even halftime. No knock on EV's talent they have tons and are a good team, but when is Hatfield going to schedule a team that can at give them a game. Is it ego or what?
Yeah, they should come east and play North Stafford, Colonial Forge, Freedom, etc. Wonder if many bigger schools want to play down to a 4A team that can beat em. It would hurt them in points. The way the points are set up you are better off beating a bunch of "cream puffs", even if they are 1 or 2A, then you are losing to good 5 and 6A teams. I would imagine that Hatfield is focused on getting into the playoffs every year. Injuries would be the other issue that coaches probably have to consider. Is it worth it to beat, let's say, North Stafford, only to lose 2 starts in a physical game. Hard call to make, but I see both sides of it.
The other guys have to agree to play you. Takes 2 to tango
Well EV would be beating North Stafford by 40 at half as well, watching the live stream on YouTube right now and they're not good defensively at all, and it's more than who they're playing. They just look young, unorganized and not physical. They've lost a lot from the last couple of years. I see why they struggled mightily with Orange.
Yeah, I was kinda talking around that point. It's easy to say they should play... but that team has a whole lot to consider.
Yep, hard to tell...Spotsy just lost to a bad Brentsville team. It is EV and everyone else! KG and Chancellor may be playing for a very distant 2nd place in the Battlefield next week! Spotsy and Courtland may be able to rebound...but it doesn't look good so far.
Spotsy was without Colbert tonight and it showed. I still think they’re a tier better than Courtland and KG but may not be as good or better than Chancellor. I went to this and my son went to Courtland v Orange. Next week will tell a lot for the Battlefield. Chancellor vs KG and Spotsy vs Courtland. Both KG and Courtland struggled with Orange and Spotsy absolutely destroyed them in the scrimmage. Will be a great week and should provide clarity.
Thanks for the update. Agree with your points. Chancellor for me, is the wild card. I know what Courtland and Spotsy are, but not sure how good Chancellor is. We shall find out Friday!
They might beat them but, implying they are up 40 at half would put EV in the class of Highland Springs and I doubt many would buy that foolishness. More importantly, if they were actually that good they would get it done in the playoffs instead of being a perennial flameout.
Culpeper county does not have open enrollment. They follow a zoning policy like most school systems. Rising 9th graders have the choice of what school they want to attend. This is supported State wide through the VHSL. I know Spotsylvania county schools and fauquier do the same thing for 9th graders. Yes there are some transfers but can not transfer just for athletic purposes. Ev wont be coming down to earth. They have been this dominant since they opened because of how the program is ran.
Flameout, hmmm. Open 11 years, multiple district titles, Regional campion and state semis. Yeah that’s just a complete failure.
Well, “flameout” means failure. I wonder if Louisa and Tuscarora know they are flameouts too?
Yeah, I don't think you can say they flamed out last year. They were one play away from making it to the finals and I would argue would be the favorite against Woodgrove. I think it is fair to say they under achieved, but I wouldn't say they flamed out. They lost close games to Dinwiddie and Lake Taylor the last two years... I would call that an established program that is real close to winning it all.
Pretty much. I don’t even know if they under achieved. I don’t think they were favored in either of those games...or against Louisa last year. Very good teams playing very tough games.
I know it's all about matchups, but having been on the opposite sidelines from Tuscarora, Louisa, and EV the last two years, I came most impressed with EV. People want to criticize coaches for their OOD schedule, but I would argue that it's smart. The Battlefield is slowly catching up with EV and if the Battlefield becomes competitive across the board then all of them will be looking to soften their schedules. I've made this point before, many of these teams are an injury or two away from being mediocre. Just look at what happened to Spotsy last night without their RB against a below average 3A team
I’m not upset at all. Just saying it’s incorrect. To my knowledge Louisa has never won a state title, but I wouldn’t consider them a flameout in the playoffs. Flameout would indicate you lost to a team you were heavily favored to beat....same as choking.
Brother, please don't twist my words, and please watch the first half before making a baseless post. If you actually go watch that first half, you would see that a lot of good teams would put up 40 in a half on that defense this year. They played ZERO defense, their defense is down. It's not comparing anyone to HSHS or putting them in the same class, it's just saying what kind of defense NS has this year.
Nothing incorrect about the use of the word in the context of its definition. Has Louisa ever been to the state finals? Somebody always has to lose, finishing is getting to the final game. At that point it is no longer the definition of flameout, in my opinion. EV has a good program, again in my opinion, and quite frankly I thought flameout was a better and more fair characterization than saying they underachieved. I did not consider flameout as much in the context of failure so much as not finishing or completing.
My apologies for misinterpreting your words. It was not a deliberate attempt to twist them.
2006, 2017. Lost to EV last year in the regional semis on a double tipped hail Mary on the last play on an extremely muddy field, or they probably would've made two straight appearances. EV went on to lose to LT on a final play.
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Saying anyone besides maybe 2-3 teams would hang 40 in a half on North Stafford is foolish
It’s all about how you look at success. If you look at success by state championships then all but 1 real in 4a would be classified “flameouts” and that completely BS. For a school that has only been open 11 years and been competitive every year and make runs in the playoffs is pretty dang good and most people would say it’s a successful program. Think people take wins for granted. Lots of work goes into those wins especially talking about high school kids. Calling them flameouts probably isn’t the best choice of words.
Spotsy county does NOT allow rising freshman to choose their school. They are zoned. If they want to transfer they either move or "buy" an address in the school zone of choice.
Did you read my response above? I understand people may not agree with the choice of words, however, I would ask what word or few words would be better? Perennial underachiever is far worse in my opinion. Again, I was not looking to say EV was not a good and successful program and I was trying to describe their playoff exits as accurately as possible in as few words as possible. My apologies to those offended because clearly their interpretation of the word has a much more negative connotation than was intended.
yeah everyone thought EV was the favorite even at Louisa as they didn't expect louisa to have that home game in the first place. oh and on the louisa is a flame out, that cant be the case as they haven't been the favorite to win in any of those years.
EV put Louisa’s flame out last year....”Miracle Play” or whatever you want to call it Louisa watched EV play their last game from the sidelines....as I have said numerous times before I have no dog in any fight I just love high school football and live in the Fredericksburg area but it’s funny to me to see so much hatred for EV because they don’t “play anyone” honestly I hope we get to see EV and Louisa again this year it was such a treat last year and I see it being the exact same this year! By the way miracle or not catch the ball, bat it down, make the tackle them we wouldn’t be talking about a miracle boys....
nope your taking it that way. they haven't been around that long but have had much success in that short period and when you go into the playoffs and are expected to win and then you don't that's a flame out. no louisa has not won a championship and they have not been expected to BECAUSE of a team like EV who was expected to win at least 1 championship.
