Region 4D Defensive Player of the Year

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Ok Games over. Lol

 

[close2salem]

List?

 

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Trying to figure out how to post it from a a picture. Any idea?

 

[close2salem]

Maybe the button beside the smiley face icon?

 

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Doing from phone and my pictures and wants me to add URL. Not working. May have to use laptop.

 

[anon_vu6vqwsr4nf3b]

Upload the picture from your phone to Imgur.com or use the Imgur app. Then Imgur will give you links to post it to message boards. That's what I always do.

 

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For Immediate Release:

ALL-REGION 4 D FOOTBALL TEAMS Year _ 2017

OFFENSE 1st Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
Quarterback Grant Johnston – Blacksburg 10 Jr. 6’4 200
Center Matt Elliott – Blacksburg 70 Sr. 6’0 265
O. Lineman Josh Tinsley – Amherst 62 Sr. 6’2 270
O. Lineman David Roberson – Blacksburg 77 Sr. 6’3 300
O. Lineman O.P. Peterson – Jefferson Forest 57 Sr. 6’1 280
O. Lineman Thomas Farrell – Salem 50 Sr. 6’4 217
Running Back Frank Ross – Amherst 2 Jr. 5’10 183
Running Back Coleton Beck – Blacksburg 32 Sr. 6’1 200
Running Back De’Angelo Ramsey – Salem 9 Sr. 6’0 214
Receiver Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170
Receiver Shawn Watlington – G.W. 17 So. 6’0 185
Receiver Viante Tucker – Salem 4 Sr. 5’10 178
Tight End Thomas Adams – William Byrd 42 Jr. 5’11 180
Kicker Nate Craft – Salem 40 Sr. 5’8 201
Kick Returner Rakeem Davis – Charlottesville 2 Sr. 5’8 170
O. All-Purpose Dre’Sean Kendrick – E.C. Glass 5 So. 5’9 160
Co. O.POTY Frank Ross – Amherst 2 Jr. 5’10 183
Co. O.POTY Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170



DEFENSE 1st Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
D. Lineman Gideon Driscoll – Blacksburg 65 Sr. 6’5 265
D. Lineman Jacorri Kittrell – E.C. Glass 52 Jr. 5’10 245
D. Lineman Matt Hale – William Byrd 55 Jr. 6’1 260
D End Chase Orndorff - Blacksburg 55 Sr. 6’0 210
D End Jahsaan Bradford-Carter – Char. 20 Sr. 6’0 190
Linebacker Josh Van Gilder – Blacksburg 7 Sr. 6’0 180
Linebacker Drew Babcock – Blacksburg 11 Jr. 6’2 190
Linebacker Thomas Patterson – E.C. Glass 2 Sr. 6’0 180
Linebacker Logan Taylor – William Byrd 33 Sr. 5’7 210
Defensive Back Trevell Alexander – E.C. Glass 3 Sr. 5’9 165
Defensive Back Kellen Dalton – Pulaski Co. 1 Sr. 6’0 165
Defensive Back Joseph Quinn – Salem 3 Sr. 5’11 184
Defensive Back Nick Wade – Salem 5 Sr. 5’8 180
Punter Noah Skeen – Charlottesville 42 Jr. 6’2 180
Punt Returner Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170
D. All-Purpose Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170
D. POTY Thomas Patterson – E.C. Glass 2 Sr. 6’0 180

Coach of the Year: Stephen Magenbauer – Salem High School

 

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OFFENSE 2nd Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
Quarterback Carlos Poole – G.W. 15 Jr. 6’3 180
Center Josh French – Jefferson Forest 51 Jr. 6’1 275
O. Lineman Larry Henderson – Charlottesville 52 Sr. 6’2 255
O. Lineman Jaccori Kittrell – E.C. Glass 52 Jr. 5’10 245
O. Lineman Will Jackson – G.W. 55 Sr. 6’3 275
O. Lineman Thomas Mundy - Salem 73 Sr. 6’3 300
Running Back Sabias Folley – Charlottesville 3 Jr. 5’11 255
Running Back Wesley Graves – G.W. 20 So. 5’11 200
Running Back Larry Basham – William Byrd 4 Sr. 5’10 175
Receiver Trevell Alexander – E.C. Glass 3 Sr. 5’9 165
Receiver Eddie Ogle – Liberty Christian 6 Sr. 5’9 160
Receiver E.J. Horton – Pulaski Co. 7 Jr. 6’2 165
Tight End Sam Branch – G.W. 6 Sr. 6’0 210
Kicker Camden Wise – Blacksburg 8 Sr. 6’0 160
Kick Returner Coleton Beck – Blacksburg 32 Sr. 6’1 200
O. All-Purpose Rakeem Davis – Charlottesville 2 Sr. 5’8 170

DEFENSE 2nd Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
D. Lineman Tae Hale - Salem 7 Sr. 6’0 227
D. Lineman O.P. Peterson – Jefferson Forest 57 Sr. 6’1 280
D. Lineman Da’Jon Cardwell – Salem 63 Jr. 6’0 265
D End Jaden Merriman – E. C. Glass 56 So 6’1 210
D End Avery Close – Salem 17 Jr. 6’5 208
Linebacker Carl Poole – G.W. 14 Jr. 5’11 190
Linebacker Josh Davidson – Liberty Christian 5 Sr. 5’10 190
Linebacker Reymon Williams – Pulaski 33 Sr. 5’9 200
Linebacker Austin Kirtner – Salem 16 Sr. 6’2 197
Defensive Back Tra Wimbush – Bassett 3 Sr. 6’0 160
Defensive Back Brian Mitchell – Blacksburg 31 So. 5’9 160
Defensive Back Jairelle Reeves – E.C. Glass 8 Jr. 6’1 160
Defensive Back Brandon Casey - Amherst 4 Sr. 5’8 145
Punter Skyler Barnes – Bassett 5 Sr. 5’11 170
Punt Returner Justin Barnett – E.C. Glass 1 Jr. 5’10 160
D. All-Purpose Curtis Waller – G.W. 25 Sr. 5’10 175

 

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OFFENSE Honorable Mention Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
Quarterback Sam Neale - Charlottesville 5 Sr. 6’1 180
Quarterback Rylan Stamn – Liberty Christian 16 Sr. 6’1 195
Quarterback Kade Akers – Pulaski Co. 3 Jr. 6’2 200
Quarterback Jack Gladden - Salem 18 Jr. 6’1 182
Center Carter Bradley – Liberty Christian 58 Sr. 6’2 260
O. Lineman Daniel Mitchell – Carroll Co. 60 Sr. 6’4 256
O. Lineman Jaheim Tyler – Charlottesville 66 Jr. 6’0 285
O. Lineman Trejon Bryant – Charlottesville 74 Sr. 6’2 275
O. Lineman Matt Hale – William Byrd 55 Jr. 6’1 260
Running Back Cassell McMillian – Carroll Co. 13 Jr. 5’8 168
Running Back Keenan Cupit – Jefferson Forest 35 So. 6’2 220
Running Back Jacob Hackworth – J.F. 15 So. 5’9 165
Running Back Luke Owen - Salem 21 Sr. 5’9 186
Receiver Devonte Smith – Amherst 5 Sr. 6’1 171
Receiver D.J. Scott – Amherst 1 Sr. 5’11 151
Receiver Tra Wimbush – Bassett 3 Sr. 6’0 160
Receiver Sackett Wood – E.C. Glass 14 Sr. 6’3 180
Kicker Blane Johnson – Amherst 17 Jr. 5’10 174
Kicker Joe Von Storch – Charlottesville 12 Jr. 5’10 165
Kicker Tyler Garrett – E.C. Glass 99 Fr. 5’9 160
Kicker Jerry Horng – G.W. 99 Sr. 6’1 170
Kick Returner Tra Wimbush – Bassett 3 Sr. 6’0 160
Kick Returner Curtis Waller – G.W. 25 Sr. 5’10 175
Kick Returner Josh Harris – Jefferson Forest 6 So. 5’8 160
O. All-Purpose Frank Ross – Amherst 2 Jr. 5’10 183
O. All-Purpose Weber Harris – G.W. 5 Sr. 5’9 175
O. All-Purpose Jacob Hackworth – J.F. 15 So. 5’9 165
O. All-Purpose Nick Hale – William Byrd 35 Jr. 5’11 180

 

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DEFENSE Honorable Mention First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
D. Lineman Holden Fretz – E.C. Glass 19 So. 6’1 210
D. Lineman Kenarius Waller – G.W. 54 Sr. 5’9 220
D End Brayden Lawhorne – Amherst 10 Sr. 5’10 206
D End Jaylon Williams – G.W. 19 Sr. 6’1 220
D End T.J. Johnson – William Byrd 3 Sr. 5’10 180
Linebacker Kevon Smith – Bassett 9 So. 6’2 190
Linebacker Cole Epperly – Blacksburg 18 Jr. 6’0 175
Linebacker Cade Snow – Carroll Co. 70 Sr. 5’10 184
Linebacker Isaiah Washington – Charlottes. 13 So. 5’9 185
Linebacker Sackett Wood – E.C. Glass 14 Sr. 6’3 180
Linebacker Malik Andrews – E.C. Glass 9 Sr. 6’3 210
Defensive Back Christian Easley – Bassett 4 Sr. 5’10 180
Defensive Back Lance Rotenizer – Carroll Co. 7 Jr. 5’11 154
Defensive Back Hunter Millner – J.F. 4 Sr. 5’8 160
Punter Blane Johnson - Amherst 17 Jr. 5’10 174
Punter Camden Wise – Blacksburg 8 Sr. 6’0 160
Punter Noah Skeen – Charlottesville 42 Jr. 6’2 180
D. All-Purpose Samari Brogden – Amherst 12 So. 5’6 151

D. All-Purpose Thomas Adams – William Byrd 42 Jr. 5’11 180

 

[mike salem]

Thank you PRIDE!

 

[catchtds]

Meh, maybe Ross' numbers were better. Can anyone give some concrete numbers for him?

Beck's rushing numbers are 1722 on 217 carries (7.9 ypc) and 31 TDs*


* - not sure if rushing or total, Roanoke Times usually specifies total TDs and did not for this number so I added just his 4 rushing TDs from the Salem PO game to the 27 the paper listed, if that's total then add one more because he had a receiving TD against Salem as well. Obviously RB is more than just rushing but I don't see concrete receiving numbers for Beck.

I don't know Ross' actual numbers (carries matter here) and I'll update Ramsey's after I find out his stats today.

I callled around a lil Ross’ numbers:
271 Carries
2,458 Yards
9.1 Yards per Carry
223.5 Yards per Game
28 TD's

 

[1MoreHokie]

lol idk then, maybe it should have been Ramsey. 3.5ypc better than Beck, 2.5 better than Ross, all 3 in or around the same TDs. Beck should probably be 1st team all-state at Athlete since he does so much elsewhere.

I thought maybe Ross or Beck would have comparable ypc #s but Ramsey's is significantly better than either and he was splitting carries until week 9 or 10. I've got no problem with who got what but it seems like on closer inspection there's a really good argument to make for Ramsey. I feel for the kid, he's kind of been buried his whole career since this area just exploded with RB talent at the same time and kids who run in the single wing or just are 80+% of their team's offense get more of the spotlight because their coaches call their number more often.

 

[catchtds]

A single wing back gets the ball more than a rb in an I formation? Ramsey very well could have been deserving but did the coach nominate him. I doubt Salem staff or players give a damn since they are playing for a ring this week.

 

[1MoreHokie]

A single wing back gets the ball more than a rb in an I formation? Ramsey very well could have been deserving but did the coach nominate him. I doubt Salem staff or players give a damn since they are playing for a ring this week.

1) Yes, they do. To point, Grayson Overstreet has a little less than 1,000 carries in 4 years. Quick math for you means 250 carries a year. Ramsey has 181 carries this season. He only made it to week 8 last year and didn't play week 1 this year so I would bet on something like 20 games and ~250-260 career carries for Ramsey. At the higher end it's probably about 13 carries a game for his entire varsity career. Overstreet, assuming no major injuries, played in about 50-51 career games meaning his carries per game was around about 20.

Fun fact, Ramsey's career YPC is 2+ what Overstreet's is (a still fantastic 9.3).

2) Yes, they did. He's on the list. Read.

3) I never said they did.

4) I said I was fine with Ross, Terry, Beck, etc. being given their honors.

 

[VolNation85]

A single wing back gets the ball more than a rb in an I formation? Ramsey very well could have been deserving but did the coach nominate him. I doubt Salem staff or players give a damn since they are playing for a ring this week.

Amherst doesn't run a true single wing either so, it's a little misleading to classify their offense as a single wing. They run more of a Riverheads style super power.

 

[1MoreHokie]

Amherst doesn't run a true single wing either so, it's a little misleading to classify their offense as a single wing. They run more of a Riverheads style super power.

I wasn't talking about Ross or Beck when I said that, it was Overstreet and Basham. I was simply mentioning how much RB talent was in the area AND in systems that would allow them to pile up numbers well out of the reach of what Ramsey would be allowed to do.

 

[Gunz41]

lol idk then, maybe it should have been Ramsey. 3.5ypc better than Beck, 2.5 better than Ross, all 3 in or around the same TDs. Beck should probably be 1st team all-state at Athlete since he does so much elsewhere.

I thought maybe Ross or Beck would have comparable ypc #s but Ramsey's is significantly better than either and he was splitting carries until week 9 or 10. I've got no problem with who got what but it seems like on closer inspection there's a really good argument to make for Ramsey. I feel for the kid, he's kind of been buried his whole career since this area just exploded with RB talent at the same time and kids who run in the single wing or just are 80+% of their team's offense get more of the spotlight because their coaches call their number more often.

What was the difference in the young man's ypc before and after he was splitting carries.

Also it was said someone had way more carries, it sounds like since getting the work load he has been dominant, would his carries have made his total more than the others if not splitting time early?

If things are the way they used to be, for someone to get 1st team all region, they had to get 1st team all district, etc. And they used to be voted on/counted from regular season or not long after. Didn't this great player start his ascension at end of regular season and even more in playoffs?

 

[1MoreHokie]

What was the difference in the young man's ypc before and after he was splitting carries.

Also it was said someone had way more carries, it sounds like since getting the work load he has been dominant, would his carries have made his total more than the others if not splitting time early?

If things are the way they used to be, for someone to get 1st team all region, they had to get 1st team all district, etc. And they used to be voted on/counted from regular season or not long after. Didn't this great player start his ascension at end of regular season and even more in playoffs?

His numbers were never bad, just not as great as they should have been. I did this in the thread I made about him but his pre-"only RB" ypc was like 10.1 and the past 6 weeks has been right at 12ypc.

I don't think you can so easily do the numbers from now and count them back when he was splitting time but I would wager his current season stats would probably be in the 2600-2800 yard, 45-50 TD range. He had FOUR TDs through the first 7 teams Salem played (he sat week 1). He would take them to the 5 and the score would go elsewhere. In the game Owens (the other TB) was injured he scored 4 TDs in 7 carries, doubling his total. From them on he's scored 19 TDs in the last 6 games and 1260 yards on just 106 carries.

 

[Gunz41]

His numbers were never bad, just not as great as they should have been. I did this in the thread I made about him but his pre-"only RB" ypc was like 10.1 and the past 6 weeks has been right at 12ypc.

I don't think you can so easily do the numbers from now and count them back when he was splitting time but I would wager his current season stats would probably be in the 2600-2800 yard, 45-50 TD range. He had FOUR TDs through the first 7 teams Salem played (he sat week 1). He would take them to the 5 and the score would go elsewhere. In the game Owens (the other TB) was injured he scored 4 TDs in 7 carries, doubling his total. From them on he's scored 19 TDs in the last 6 games and 1260 yards on just 106 carries.

Very impressive.

I can't remember the name you said, and too lazy to go back and look, but you said someone had like 250 carries, had he been the main back, would he have eclipsed that?

 

[1MoreHokie]

Very impressive.

I can't remember the name you said, and too lazy to go back and look, but you said someone had like 250 carries, had he been the main back, would he have eclipsed that?

The person I was talking about was the Overstreet kid at Staunton River who had 955 carries in 4 years coming into last week's loss to Heritage. I'm going to assume he got 15-20 carries that game to bring him up around 970-975 and that's close enough to 1,000 for the sake of this discussion which is where I got 250/yr.

I don't get what you're asking, though.

e: do you mean if Ramsey was playing for SR in their single wing would he have gone over 250 for them? Hard to say. SR had deep PO runs the last couple seasons so Overstreet's total games was around 50-51 which means 20 carries a game for a career average which isn't a particularly crazy amount.

It mostly depends on the staff. Ramsey had a few "6-7 touches, 3-4 TD" games and the staff would basically stop using him after it was obvious he couldn't be stopped. A lot of other coaches don't do this (not saying either way is right or wrong) so the potential would be there for him to put some high-yardage, high-TD games together in different systems. The 5 TD game he had against Charlotte is probably one of only a handful in the past few decades at Salem, you're never going to open up the paper and read about a Salem back going 25 carries for 460 yards and 7 TDs, it's just not how things are done in Salem.

What works for Salem may not work for another team and vice versa. You don't really find fault but we're also, even as Salem fans, rarely in a position to wonder "what if?" and Ramsey is one of those rare talents that asks such a question in the mind of fans.

 

[wikki]

I callled around a lil Ross’ numbers:
271 Carries
2,458 Yards
9.1 Yards per Carry
223.5 Yards per Game
28 TD's

This kid is awesome

 

[Gunz41]

The person I was talking about was the Overstreet kid at Staunton River who had 955 carries in 4 years coming into last week's loss to Heritage. I'm going to assume he got 15-20 carries that game to bring him up around 970-975 and that's close enough to 1,000 for the sake of this discussion which is where I got 250/yr.

I don't get what you're asking, though.

e: do you mean if Ramsey was playing for SR in their single wing would he have gone over 250 for them? Hard to say. SR had deep PO runs the last couple seasons so Overstreet's total games was around 50-51 which means 20 carries a game for a career average which isn't a particularly crazy amount.

It mostly depends on the staff. Ramsey had a few "6-7 touches, 3-4 TD" games and the staff would basically stop using him after it was obvious he couldn't be stopped. A lot of other coaches don't do this (not saying either way is right or wrong) so the potential would be there for him to put some high-yardage, high-TD games together in different systems. The 5 TD game he had against Charlotte is probably one of only a handful in the past few decades at Salem, you're never going to open up the paper and read about a Salem back going 25 carries for 460 yards and 7 TDs, it's just not how things are done in Salem.

What works for Salem may not work for another team and vice versa. You don't really find fault but we're also, even as Salem fans, rarely in a position to wonder "what if?" and Ramsey is one of those rare talents that asks such a question in the mind of fans.

No, what I am asking is if Ramsey had been the primary running back all season, not counting playoffs would he have reached the 250 carry mark, and in that case would his number far exceed those who were over him for POY

 

[1MoreHokie]

The most carries in a season for any Salem RB is 225 and it took Marcus Parker 14 games to do it. No Salem back is going to come within a country mile of 250 in 10 games.

 

[cb2018]

The most carries in a season for any Salem RB is 225 and it took Marcus Parker 14 games to do it. No Salem back is going to come within a country mile of 250 in 10 games.

Agree. In the spread or Power I offenses of today, no single RB (or other position) is going to approach that # of carries in a regular season. Yards per carry (or touch) is the stat that matters. Ramsey is a great player, as is Terry, Basham, Beck etc., but spreading the ball around is what it takes in today’s game. Just my opinion.

 

[Gunz41]

The most carries in a season for any Salem RB is 225 and it took Marcus Parker 14 games to do it. No Salem back is going to come within a country mile of 250 in 10 games.

I guess I misunderstood your comment earlier then saying he has 181 carries, since for a good part of season he was splitting carries, I thought that you were saying he would have had close to that many

 

[VolNation85]

I wasn't talking about Ross or Beck when I said that, it was Overstreet and Basham. I was simply mentioning how much RB talent was in the area AND in systems that would allow them to pile up numbers well out of the reach of what Ramsey would be allowed to do.

That makes sense. Sorry for the misunderstanding.