Region 4D Defensive Player of the Year

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    ALL-REGION 4 D FOOTBALL TEAMS Year _ 2017

    OFFENSE 1st Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
    Quarterback Grant Johnston – Blacksburg 10 Jr. 6’4 200
    Center Matt Elliott – Blacksburg 70 Sr. 6’0 265
    O. Lineman Josh Tinsley – Amherst 62 Sr. 6’2 270
    O. Lineman David Roberson – Blacksburg 77 Sr. 6’3 300
    O. Lineman O.P. Peterson – Jefferson Forest 57 Sr. 6’1 280
    O. Lineman Thomas Farrell – Salem 50 Sr. 6’4 217
    Running Back Frank Ross – Amherst 2 Jr. 5’10 183
    Running Back Coleton Beck – Blacksburg 32 Sr. 6’1 200
    Running Back De’Angelo Ramsey – Salem 9 Sr. 6’0 214
    Receiver Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170
    Receiver Shawn Watlington – G.W. 17 So. 6’0 185
    Receiver Viante Tucker – Salem 4 Sr. 5’10 178
    Tight End Thomas Adams – William Byrd 42 Jr. 5’11 180
    Kicker Nate Craft – Salem 40 Sr. 5’8 201
    Kick Returner Rakeem Davis – Charlottesville 2 Sr. 5’8 170
    O. All-Purpose Dre’Sean Kendrick – E.C. Glass 5 So. 5’9 160
    Co. O.POTY Frank Ross – Amherst 2 Jr. 5’10 183
    Co. O.POTY Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170



    DEFENSE 1st Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
    D. Lineman Gideon Driscoll – Blacksburg 65 Sr. 6’5 265
    D. Lineman Jacorri Kittrell – E.C. Glass 52 Jr. 5’10 245
    D. Lineman Matt Hale – William Byrd 55 Jr. 6’1 260
    D End Chase Orndorff - Blacksburg 55 Sr. 6’0 210
    D End Jahsaan Bradford-Carter – Char. 20 Sr. 6’0 190
    Linebacker Josh Van Gilder – Blacksburg 7 Sr. 6’0 180
    Linebacker Drew Babcock – Blacksburg 11 Jr. 6’2 190
    Linebacker Thomas Patterson – E.C. Glass 2 Sr. 6’0 180
    Linebacker Logan Taylor – William Byrd 33 Sr. 5’7 210
    Defensive Back Trevell Alexander – E.C. Glass 3 Sr. 5’9 165
    Defensive Back Kellen Dalton – Pulaski Co. 1 Sr. 6’0 165
    Defensive Back Joseph Quinn – Salem 3 Sr. 5’11 184
    Defensive Back Nick Wade – Salem 5 Sr. 5’8 180
    Punter Noah Skeen – Charlottesville 42 Jr. 6’2 180
    Punt Returner Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170
    D. All-Purpose Tiquest Terry – Blacksburg 6 Jr. 5’9 170
    D. POTY Thomas Patterson – E.C. Glass 2 Sr. 6’0 180

    Coach of the Year: Stephen Magenbauer – Salem High School
     
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    OFFENSE 2nd Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
    Quarterback Carlos Poole – G.W. 15 Jr. 6’3 180
    Center Josh French – Jefferson Forest 51 Jr. 6’1 275
    O. Lineman Larry Henderson – Charlottesville 52 Sr. 6’2 255
    O. Lineman Jaccori Kittrell – E.C. Glass 52 Jr. 5’10 245
    O. Lineman Will Jackson – G.W. 55 Sr. 6’3 275
    O. Lineman Thomas Mundy - Salem 73 Sr. 6’3 300
    Running Back Sabias Folley – Charlottesville 3 Jr. 5’11 255
    Running Back Wesley Graves – G.W. 20 So. 5’11 200
    Running Back Larry Basham – William Byrd 4 Sr. 5’10 175
    Receiver Trevell Alexander – E.C. Glass 3 Sr. 5’9 165
    Receiver Eddie Ogle – Liberty Christian 6 Sr. 5’9 160
    Receiver E.J. Horton – Pulaski Co. 7 Jr. 6’2 165
    Tight End Sam Branch – G.W. 6 Sr. 6’0 210
    Kicker Camden Wise – Blacksburg 8 Sr. 6’0 160
    Kick Returner Coleton Beck – Blacksburg 32 Sr. 6’1 200
    O. All-Purpose Rakeem Davis – Charlottesville 2 Sr. 5’8 170

    DEFENSE 2nd Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
    D. Lineman Tae Hale - Salem 7 Sr. 6’0 227
    D. Lineman O.P. Peterson – Jefferson Forest 57 Sr. 6’1 280
    D. Lineman Da’Jon Cardwell – Salem 63 Jr. 6’0 265
    D End Jaden Merriman – E. C. Glass 56 So 6’1 210
    D End Avery Close – Salem 17 Jr. 6’5 208
    Linebacker Carl Poole – G.W. 14 Jr. 5’11 190
    Linebacker Josh Davidson – Liberty Christian 5 Sr. 5’10 190
    Linebacker Reymon Williams – Pulaski 33 Sr. 5’9 200
    Linebacker Austin Kirtner – Salem 16 Sr. 6’2 197
    Defensive Back Tra Wimbush – Bassett 3 Sr. 6’0 160
    Defensive Back Brian Mitchell – Blacksburg 31 So. 5’9 160
    Defensive Back Jairelle Reeves – E.C. Glass 8 Jr. 6’1 160
    Defensive Back Brandon Casey - Amherst 4 Sr. 5’8 145
    Punter Skyler Barnes – Bassett 5 Sr. 5’11 170
    Punt Returner Justin Barnett – E.C. Glass 1 Jr. 5’10 160
    D. All-Purpose Curtis Waller – G.W. 25 Sr. 5’10 175
     
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    OFFENSE Honorable Mention Team First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
    Quarterback Sam Neale - Charlottesville 5 Sr. 6’1 180
    Quarterback Rylan Stamn – Liberty Christian 16 Sr. 6’1 195
    Quarterback Kade Akers – Pulaski Co. 3 Jr. 6’2 200
    Quarterback Jack Gladden - Salem 18 Jr. 6’1 182
    Center Carter Bradley – Liberty Christian 58 Sr. 6’2 260
    O. Lineman Daniel Mitchell – Carroll Co. 60 Sr. 6’4 256
    O. Lineman Jaheim Tyler – Charlottesville 66 Jr. 6’0 285
    O. Lineman Trejon Bryant – Charlottesville 74 Sr. 6’2 275
    O. Lineman Matt Hale – William Byrd 55 Jr. 6’1 260
    Running Back Cassell McMillian – Carroll Co. 13 Jr. 5’8 168
    Running Back Keenan Cupit – Jefferson Forest 35 So. 6’2 220
    Running Back Jacob Hackworth – J.F. 15 So. 5’9 165
    Running Back Luke Owen - Salem 21 Sr. 5’9 186
    Receiver Devonte Smith – Amherst 5 Sr. 6’1 171
    Receiver D.J. Scott – Amherst 1 Sr. 5’11 151
    Receiver Tra Wimbush – Bassett 3 Sr. 6’0 160
    Receiver Sackett Wood – E.C. Glass 14 Sr. 6’3 180
    Kicker Blane Johnson – Amherst 17 Jr. 5’10 174
    Kicker Joe Von Storch – Charlottesville 12 Jr. 5’10 165
    Kicker Tyler Garrett – E.C. Glass 99 Fr. 5’9 160
    Kicker Jerry Horng – G.W. 99 Sr. 6’1 170
    Kick Returner Tra Wimbush – Bassett 3 Sr. 6’0 160
    Kick Returner Curtis Waller – G.W. 25 Sr. 5’10 175
    Kick Returner Josh Harris – Jefferson Forest 6 So. 5’8 160
    O. All-Purpose Frank Ross – Amherst 2 Jr. 5’10 183
    O. All-Purpose Weber Harris – G.W. 5 Sr. 5’9 175
    O. All-Purpose Jacob Hackworth – J.F. 15 So. 5’9 165
    O. All-Purpose Nick Hale – William Byrd 35 Jr. 5’11 180
     
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    DEFENSE Honorable Mention First Name Last Name # Class Height Weight
    D. Lineman Holden Fretz – E.C. Glass 19 So. 6’1 210
    D. Lineman Kenarius Waller – G.W. 54 Sr. 5’9 220
    D End Brayden Lawhorne – Amherst 10 Sr. 5’10 206
    D End Jaylon Williams – G.W. 19 Sr. 6’1 220
    D End T.J. Johnson – William Byrd 3 Sr. 5’10 180
    Linebacker Kevon Smith – Bassett 9 So. 6’2 190
    Linebacker Cole Epperly – Blacksburg 18 Jr. 6’0 175
    Linebacker Cade Snow – Carroll Co. 70 Sr. 5’10 184
    Linebacker Isaiah Washington – Charlottes. 13 So. 5’9 185
    Linebacker Sackett Wood – E.C. Glass 14 Sr. 6’3 180
    Linebacker Malik Andrews – E.C. Glass 9 Sr. 6’3 210
    Defensive Back Christian Easley – Bassett 4 Sr. 5’10 180
    Defensive Back Lance Rotenizer – Carroll Co. 7 Jr. 5’11 154
    Defensive Back Hunter Millner – J.F. 4 Sr. 5’8 160
    Punter Blane Johnson - Amherst 17 Jr. 5’10 174
    Punter Camden Wise – Blacksburg 8 Sr. 6’0 160
    Punter Noah Skeen – Charlottesville 42 Jr. 6’2 180
    D. All-Purpose Samari Brogden – Amherst 12 So. 5’6 151

    D. All-Purpose Thomas Adams – William Byrd 42 Jr. 5’11 180
     
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    I callled around a lil Ross’ numbers:
    271 Carries
    2,458 Yards
    9.1 Yards per Carry
    223.5 Yards per Game
    28 TD's
     
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    lol idk then, maybe it should have been Ramsey. 3.5ypc better than Beck, 2.5 better than Ross, all 3 in or around the same TDs. Beck should probably be 1st team all-state at Athlete since he does so much elsewhere.

    I thought maybe Ross or Beck would have comparable ypc #s but Ramsey's is significantly better than either and he was splitting carries until week 9 or 10. I've got no problem with who got what but it seems like on closer inspection there's a really good argument to make for Ramsey. I feel for the kid, he's kind of been buried his whole career since this area just exploded with RB talent at the same time and kids who run in the single wing or just are 80+% of their team's offense get more of the spotlight because their coaches call their number more often.
     
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    A single wing back gets the ball more than a rb in an I formation? Ramsey very well could have been deserving but did the coach nominate him. I doubt Salem staff or players give a damn since they are playing for a ring this week.
     
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    1) Yes, they do. To point, Grayson Overstreet has a little less than 1,000 carries in 4 years. Quick math for you means 250 carries a year. Ramsey has 181 carries this season. He only made it to week 8 last year and didn't play week 1 this year so I would bet on something like 20 games and ~250-260 career carries for Ramsey. At the higher end it's probably about 13 carries a game for his entire varsity career. Overstreet, assuming no major injuries, played in about 50-51 career games meaning his carries per game was around about 20.

    Fun fact, Ramsey's career YPC is 2+ what Overstreet's is (a still fantastic 9.3).

    2) Yes, they did. He's on the list. Read.

    3) I never said they did.

    4) I said I was fine with Ross, Terry, Beck, etc. being given their honors.
     
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    Amherst doesn't run a true single wing either so, it's a little misleading to classify their offense as a single wing. They run more of a Riverheads style super power.
     
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    I wasn't talking about Ross or Beck when I said that, it was Overstreet and Basham. I was simply mentioning how much RB talent was in the area AND in systems that would allow them to pile up numbers well out of the reach of what Ramsey would be allowed to do.
     
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    What was the difference in the young man's ypc before and after he was splitting carries.

    Also it was said someone had way more carries, it sounds like since getting the work load he has been dominant, would his carries have made his total more than the others if not splitting time early?

    If things are the way they used to be, for someone to get 1st team all region, they had to get 1st team all district, etc. And they used to be voted on/counted from regular season or not long after. Didn't this great player start his ascension at end of regular season and even more in playoffs?
     
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    His numbers were never bad, just not as great as they should have been. I did this in the thread I made about him but his pre-"only RB" ypc was like 10.1 and the past 6 weeks has been right at 12ypc.

    I don't think you can so easily do the numbers from now and count them back when he was splitting time but I would wager his current season stats would probably be in the 2600-2800 yard, 45-50 TD range. He had FOUR TDs through the first 7 teams Salem played (he sat week 1). He would take them to the 5 and the score would go elsewhere. In the game Owens (the other TB) was injured he scored 4 TDs in 7 carries, doubling his total. From them on he's scored 19 TDs in the last 6 games and 1260 yards on just 106 carries.
     
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    Very impressive.

    I can't remember the name you said, and too lazy to go back and look, but you said someone had like 250 carries, had he been the main back, would he have eclipsed that?
     
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    The person I was talking about was the Overstreet kid at Staunton River who had 955 carries in 4 years coming into last week's loss to Heritage. I'm going to assume he got 15-20 carries that game to bring him up around 970-975 and that's close enough to 1,000 for the sake of this discussion which is where I got 250/yr.

    I don't get what you're asking, though.

    e: do you mean if Ramsey was playing for SR in their single wing would he have gone over 250 for them? Hard to say. SR had deep PO runs the last couple seasons so Overstreet's total games was around 50-51 which means 20 carries a game for a career average which isn't a particularly crazy amount.

    It mostly depends on the staff. Ramsey had a few "6-7 touches, 3-4 TD" games and the staff would basically stop using him after it was obvious he couldn't be stopped. A lot of other coaches don't do this (not saying either way is right or wrong) so the potential would be there for him to put some high-yardage, high-TD games together in different systems. The 5 TD game he had against Charlotte is probably one of only a handful in the past few decades at Salem, you're never going to open up the paper and read about a Salem back going 25 carries for 460 yards and 7 TDs, it's just not how things are done in Salem.

    What works for Salem may not work for another team and vice versa. You don't really find fault but we're also, even as Salem fans, rarely in a position to wonder "what if?" and Ramsey is one of those rare talents that asks such a question in the mind of fans.
     
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    No, what I am asking is if Ramsey had been the primary running back all season, not counting playoffs would he have reached the 250 carry mark, and in that case would his number far exceed those who were over him for POY
     
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    The most carries in a season for any Salem RB is 225 and it took Marcus Parker 14 games to do it. No Salem back is going to come within a country mile of 250 in 10 games.
     
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    Agree. In the spread or Power I offenses of today, no single RB (or other position) is going to approach that # of carries in a regular season. Yards per carry (or touch) is the stat that matters. Ramsey is a great player, as is Terry, Basham, Beck etc., but spreading the ball around is what it takes in today’s game. Just my opinion.
     
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    I guess I misunderstood your comment earlier then saying he has 181 carries, since for a good part of season he was splitting carries, I thought that you were saying he would have had close to that many
     
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    That makes sense. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
     

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