I disagree with one thing. Tapscott WR of Kettle Run is on their level.
State Championship Region B Dinwiddie vs. Region C Kettle Run
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@wolverinedad2018, I am not going to disagree with you on this one. I have watched a lot of film on Kettle Run and Jordan Tapscott. Yes, he has decent size 6'1" 170, above average speed, good hops and fantastic hands. He is not currently ranked in the state by Rivals, but has a 5.8 rating. That's basically a three star recruit. He has signed with VMI and I am very fond of that choice. Tapscott surely has the ability to give Dinwiddie fits. In fact, I am very concerned about him on jet sweeps and runs after the catch. The one good thing about this match up is Dinwiddie has faced receivers of his quality several times this season. His skill set will be nothing new. The key difference is he will be facing defensive backs with better speed and coverage ability than he has faced this season. EC Glass has a fine corps of db's and they covered him well, so if he wins a few oh well. Tapscott cannot beat Dinwiddie by himself.
In closing, let me state that I have enjoyed your takes. We do not have to always agree to have fun. You have remained fair, civil, and extremely knowledgeable. Thanks for bringing a different perspective to the board. Keep it up sir.
In closing, let me state that I have enjoyed your takes. We do not have to always agree to have fun. You have remained fair, civil, and extremely knowledgeable. Thanks for bringing a different perspective to the board. Keep it up sir.
I know the King George fans don't want any moral victories but we can all agree that truly was a ridiculously good team. Talented. Well coached. Tough. They had everything.
So @GoBlue2109 are you feeling confident or leery about this game? I listened to Coach Mills interview on 910 Radio this afternoon and although he clearly respected Kettle Run by his comments he expressed his confidence in this Generals team. Coach Mills works his tail off and by the sound of his interviews lately, so has this group of kids. He hasn't compared this team to the 2013, but he has emphatically stated "I don't want this to be my last game with this group". That's says a lot about our team. I initially said this team was a year away, but watching them support one another, being unselfish and leaving it all on the field my usual conservative approach has changed. Kettle Run will test the Generals, but Mills will get his second state title. 35-14 Dinwiddie.
I watched some Kettle Run film yesterday. I think one of you guys mentioned you feel like they are similar to Hanover and I can agree with that assessment.
The WR 9 is pretty good and the O-line looks decent with some size. The RB looked pretty good, but not fast enough to really break loose. The QB won't be anything they haven't seen this year especially considering the T-Dale, Hopewell, Hanover and KG QB's. I'm trying hard to not down Kettle Run because they deserve to be here, but I just don't think they have the high end talent needed against a team like this.
T Dale was a really talented and FAST team with Minter and the Tyree brothers and they didn't stand a chance. I'm going Dinwiddie by 21 plus. For me I think we know the Generals offense will eventually bust loose. But it's the defense that really has me thinking this one will be a decisive win.
The WR 9 is pretty good and the O-line looks decent with some size. The RB looked pretty good, but not fast enough to really break loose. The QB won't be anything they haven't seen this year especially considering the T-Dale, Hopewell, Hanover and KG QB's. I'm trying hard to not down Kettle Run because they deserve to be here, but I just don't think they have the high end talent needed against a team like this.
T Dale was a really talented and FAST team with Minter and the Tyree brothers and they didn't stand a chance. I'm going Dinwiddie by 21 plus. For me I think we know the Generals offense will eventually bust loose. But it's the defense that really has me thinking this one will be a decisive win.
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I was going to add to my reply I realize Tapscott doesn't have the College recruit upside like other VHSL receivers. In a sheer high school setting he has been just as effective. I realize you know that. Watch out for Chumley as well. He doesn't impress by sight but is an absolute baller. If he gets near the end zone he's very hard to keep out (reminds me of Woodrove's QB in 2018 Graham Walker). The whole team plays extremely spirited and they have a great fan base. I said earlier I believe KR will need at least 2 turnovers or Dinwiddie mistakes (penalties) to keep the pace. I'd mention one more thing, their play calling is excellent. Looking forward to this one.
Crap, I always root for VMI. Was it because of the coaching change or possible change in offensive schemes? Wish him well just not this weekend. Any chance if the Sherando fellows coming down?
None of the Dinwiddie fans will say it but this will be a blowout in Dinwiddie’s favor. They’ve demolished Dale, Hanover, Warwick, Hopewell, beat King George.. Kettle Run just don’t have the horses. Them beating Glass the way that they did doesn’t make me a believer. I think we all got caught up in the they beat Salem hype instead of they gave up 32 points to Halifax. Who ever came out of the east this year was going to win the ship anyway.
I hope you are correct, but KR will have a masterful game plan, and will come to play. They are here because they are good.
Not this fellow , have a new puppy and my wife is away this weekend for work. So I am puppy sitting. I will watch on NFHS.
Dang shame when a puppy takes the place of football. Did you name the dog "Navy"?
LOL. Heck Scaliwag, bring him to the game. We will all help look after him. If they say anything at the gate just tell them he is a service dog.
I’ve got to ask, what does your Avatar mean?
Disclaimer: This message is intended for entertainment purposes and is full of sarcasm. I am not intoxicated, nor have I used drugs. I did pass go and did collect $200.00.
You forgot Class 3 State Finalist Heritage. Oh snap not sure what we were thinking @BoKnowsSports. "Lil" Dinwiddie can't even hang with East End RVA and the young men from 100 Ireland Street. Don't you know we haven't played anybody. Heck without 50 D1 recruits how are we going to even play on the same field with Kettle Run? Hopefully you are right. Maybe our plethora of D3 talent will get it done. If not we can try again next year.
Wish I could bring her to the game , but it would be a bit much for her . Plus I wouldn’t want to expose her to the other teams when I am just getting her to understand what it means to be faithful to your team. 😏 win or lose
Word on the street, Coach Mills will be in charge of keeping up with all of the newborn athletes in the Dinwiddie area to ensure they are groomed to be Generals in 15 years. They will live 3 miles from the high school and play youth league, middle school ball and then JV/Varsity. Apparently the school by the airport does it 🤪😂
Will the KR team go down as the most underrated team in recent history if they win? I hope so!!!
I have to say KR is undefeated not because of 5 star talent but because they have a high level of football intelligence and player execution. They are methodical and don’t make too many mistakes. I have commented a few times that they can look slow and boring. Many commentators here watch film and are not impressed. I get that! This year the KR kids find a way to beat the level of competition on the field. They do not give up. They had to fight back against Millbrook (worst 1st half of football in 2 years) and LOCO to win.
Here is my Game worst case scenario question; How would this Dinwiddie team react to being down 14 points in the 3rd Quarter against a team that they should be blowing out of the water in the finals??
Talk about pressure!!! Will they crack like Glass? (pun intended!)
Now Honest question: Has Dinwiddie even played from behind at all this year?
For KR, Win or lose I have such a sense of pride and appreciation for these kids, coaches, and our community! It’s such a good story to watch them make the finals after all these years!!
I have to say KR is undefeated not because of 5 star talent but because they have a high level of football intelligence and player execution. They are methodical and don’t make too many mistakes. I have commented a few times that they can look slow and boring. Many commentators here watch film and are not impressed. I get that! This year the KR kids find a way to beat the level of competition on the field. They do not give up. They had to fight back against Millbrook (worst 1st half of football in 2 years) and LOCO to win.
Here is my Game worst case scenario question; How would this Dinwiddie team react to being down 14 points in the 3rd Quarter against a team that they should be blowing out of the water in the finals??
Talk about pressure!!! Will they crack like Glass? (pun intended!)
Now Honest question: Has Dinwiddie even played from behind at all this year?
For KR, Win or lose I have such a sense of pride and appreciation for these kids, coaches, and our community! It’s such a good story to watch them make the finals after all these years!!
I think Dinwiddie showed their mettle against King George.
Good luck to Kettle Run and Dinwiddie. I really hope for a barn burner. Actually, I hope all of the championship games are competitive.
Well said Mike. It will be fun watching Coach Mills, Brad Bradley, and Loren Johnson coach it up this weekend as a neutral fan. 3 of the top 20 coaches in VHSL history if you ask me.
@WarrentonCougar21 if Dinwiddie was not playing Kettle Run this weekend I may be rooting for them as well. I really don't see how a 14-0 team could ever be considered underrated, especially if they have "exceptional football intelligence and physical execution", plus they virtually play mistake free football. Sounds like the 2016 Salem Spartans to me. You are the second person to label this fine team as such. True fans believe their team will defeat anybody put before them. If you believe they will win say it. We have been down this road before, but I will make the trip once more. Dinwiddie is the FAVORITE (not garuanteed winner) in this game. It's not because Kettle Run is disrespected or UNDERRATED it simply because the numbers say they are NOT FAVORED. Coach Mills said it the best "They (Kettle Run) ain't 14-0 for nothin. They have some talent and we gotta come to play,"! I promise each and every poster one thing this Dinwiddie team does not look down their noses at anyone. This group is a lunch pail type of team with a boat load of athletes. Are they good? Sure are, but they are not Overrated! The proof is below.
Dinwiddie's Resume:
Since 2008, Dinwiddie has made the playoffs 17of 18 years (missed during 2021 spring COVID season). They have appeared in 8 regional finals (08, 10, 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 22) winning 5. The Generals have made 5 State Final appearances and 4 since Mills arrival.
Dinwiddie has a mov of +40 and has averaged over 50 points a game. In the playoffs Dinwiddie has a mov of +30 and is averaging 45 points a game. The Generals regular season
Opponents had a 79-61 record (85-69 overall). 6 of Dinwiddie's regular season opponents made the playoffs and their playoff opponents had a regular season record of 33-7. One of Dinwiddie's opponents (Heritage) is in the Class 3 final.
The Generals have accrued 5,730 yards of offense with 95 touchdowns while giving up 2,492 yards and 19 touchdowns. Dinwiddie has two players who have rushed for over 1,300 yards each. With the exception of punting their special teams are above average.
Coach Billy Mills has a 160-55 record at Dinwiddie (.744) and is 27-13 (.675) in the playoffs. Mills is the current Region B Coach of the Year. Harry Dalton is the Region B Offensive POY and Trey McBride is the Region B Defensive POY.
I could compare some of Kettle Run's data, but that would just fuel the flames. If Kettle Run desires to be the known as UNDERATED then so be it. Im not buying it.
Dinwiddie's Resume:
Since 2008, Dinwiddie has made the playoffs 17of 18 years (missed during 2021 spring COVID season). They have appeared in 8 regional finals (08, 10, 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 22) winning 5. The Generals have made 5 State Final appearances and 4 since Mills arrival.
Dinwiddie has a mov of +40 and has averaged over 50 points a game. In the playoffs Dinwiddie has a mov of +30 and is averaging 45 points a game. The Generals regular season
Opponents had a 79-61 record (85-69 overall). 6 of Dinwiddie's regular season opponents made the playoffs and their playoff opponents had a regular season record of 33-7. One of Dinwiddie's opponents (Heritage) is in the Class 3 final.
The Generals have accrued 5,730 yards of offense with 95 touchdowns while giving up 2,492 yards and 19 touchdowns. Dinwiddie has two players who have rushed for over 1,300 yards each. With the exception of punting their special teams are above average.
Coach Billy Mills has a 160-55 record at Dinwiddie (.744) and is 27-13 (.675) in the playoffs. Mills is the current Region B Coach of the Year. Harry Dalton is the Region B Offensive POY and Trey McBride is the Region B Defensive POY.
I could compare some of Kettle Run's data, but that would just fuel the flames. If Kettle Run desires to be the known as UNDERATED then so be it. Im not buying it.
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A true fan doesn’t always believe their team is going to win, just always roots for them to win. That would be a naive fan. I believe that you don’t under rate Kettle Run, but for you to say others don’t is inaccurate IMO.
All that stat talk paints a David and Goliath picture to me.
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Dinwiddie played from behind against Hanover & from down 13 in the 3rd & down 7 with 1:56 left in the 4th against King George. They won’t be flustered
Was only justifying why Dinwiddie is the favorite. So let me ask it this way. If you were betting on a horse race wouldn't the odds indicate a favorite? If so there would there not be odds for the other horses as well. Using the posters poll above Kettle Run has a 25-1 shot to win. I guess it depends on what you consider a long shot. Hope the Cougars team doesn't think so. They have earned their respect. By the way I hope Kettle Run doesn't use a sling shot and a rock against on Saturday. Have a blessed day.
Not to beat a dead horse but I agree with you. Dinwiddie is a solid favorite. Some years one or two (King George) teams are head and shoulders above the rest. Dinwiddie is not over rated as I believe Glass was. Kettle Run was under rated against Glass by many. We will find out if they were under rated again tomorrow based on all the 20+ Point loss predictions. I’m holding on to the visitor side has won the last 13. 😉
And Thomas Dales signature win was over who? And Warwick's signature win was over who? Hopewell's signature win was over who? Heritage's signature win was over who, Glass? etc........ Dinwiddie didn't play a tough schedule by any means. I'll give you King George was very good and that went to OT. Dinwiddie looks very good but you didn't prove anything with this mediocre schedule argument.
Ok. Us BIG Dinwiddie fans are super humble. I don't see a mediocre schedule argument here. Maxpreps has Dinwiddie sos at 11.7 and KR at 5.9. Unfortunately the ood teams we played this year were down, but all of that is out the window at this point. Warwick fans all week said Dinwiddie played a bunch of cupcakes and they went back to NN with a donut 🍩. Numbers don't lie and if I was a betting woman, my $ would be on Dinwiddie. I seriously doubt KR has seen a defense like Dinwiddies or the speed. Good luck to ALL teams still playing tomorrow because they have earned it!! NAVY NATION...LET'S RIDE💪🏽🏈
Wow just wow! @wolverinedad2018 I refuse to criticize Kettle Run. The coaches and team deserve the respect a 14-0 team should. I will say that before you judge Dinwiddie's schedule you might want review their opponents regular season record and overall records. I could give you that, but I will not. You may also want to check the records of the Cougars opponents. This will be my last post prior to the game. My opinions will not win this game. The kids will decide it on the field. Drive safe and good luck to both teams.
12-1 KG
12-2 Heritage
10-2 Dale
9-3 Hanover
Absolutely NOTHING mediocre about those teams. Warwick fans thought Dinwiddie didn’t play anyone either……. Lol We struggled in 1 game against Top 10 team in the State. I’d like to see any Division 4 contender play our schedule and come out 10-0 then play the schedule we played in the playoffs and still make it here. The Central District is no pushover Matoaca Hopewell Dale & Petersburg could leave the Central and goto certain districts and finish 9-1. Region 4B is the best Region Top to Bottom in Division 4 been that way since 2017. This starting to sound like 2013 all over again (Sorry Sherando guys)
Agree the central district is tough every team made the playoffs except one that petty good. Even in a down year Dale, hopewell, matoaca and dinwiddie are better than alot of teams around the region.
3A state finalist lost to them by 42 and that's apparently not good because *checks notes* that team's "best win" is the state-semifinalist just beaten by the state finalist they're defending which is *checks notes* that state finalist's "best win".
Dinwiddie didn't climb a mountain to make it to state this year, certainly not in comparison to Freedom or HS or even Heritage but at +18 for opponent's W/L it stands markedly superior to KR's -2.
Dinwiddie didn't climb a mountain to make it to state this year, certainly not in comparison to Freedom or HS or even Heritage but at +18 for opponent's W/L it stands markedly superior to KR's -2.
I never said KR had a tough schedule, it was very light. Dinwiddie hasn’t played any blockbuster team beside King George
😑 if we’re being honest they’ve played 5 teams who are better than any team on KR schedule (KG, Warwick, Hanover, Dale, Heritage)
Just a bizarre post. I've never seen anyone here purport that Dinwiddie has faced a murderer's row but their schedule, thanks to the run to state but also due to scheduling OOD, had very clear, large obstacles which tripped up most other teams.
King George - only loss is to Dinwiddie (Calpreps #1 4A team, 4A finalist)
Heritage - loss to Dinwiddie and LCA (#3 3A team, semifinalist)
Warwick - loss to Dinwiddie and Phoebus (#1 3A team, 3A finalist)
Thomas Dale - loss to Dinwiddie and Manchester (#8 6A team, 6A regional finalist)
Hanover - loss to Dinwiddie and Highland Springs (#1 5A team, 5A finalist) and Varina (#5 4A team, 4A regional finalist)
And FWIW LCA's only losses were to Glass (#4 4A team, semifinalist) and Heritage, Manchester's losses were to Highland Springs and Western Branch (#5 6A team, semifinalist), and Varina's losses were to Highland Springs and King George. Glass' losses were to Heritage and Kettle Run. Western Branch's losses were to Freedom, OS, and King's Fork.
Of Dinwiddie's immediate schedule, the worst loss amongst them is probably an 11-2 Manchester or 10-2 Varina. Of the ten losses, seven are to teams playing tomorrow. Then I even went into losses of losses and you've got teams winning 10-12 games on all of them and I even went into losses of losses of losses and 9-2 OS is probably the "worst" team. I actually have to go five layers deep (Dinwiddie -> Thomas Dale -> Manchester -> King's Fork -> Nansemond River) to find a team who didn't win 9 games and probably is pretty average (8-4). I actually went a few more layers looking for a sub-.500 team who won a game but couldn't find one. I'm legitimately trying to poke holes in Dinwiddie's schedule at this point and it's difficult. The best thing you could say is there's a slight lack of PO success but that's chiefly due to most of the teams simply beating one another themselves.
King George - only loss is to Dinwiddie (Calpreps #1 4A team, 4A finalist)
Heritage - loss to Dinwiddie and LCA (#3 3A team, semifinalist)
Warwick - loss to Dinwiddie and Phoebus (#1 3A team, 3A finalist)
Thomas Dale - loss to Dinwiddie and Manchester (#8 6A team, 6A regional finalist)
Hanover - loss to Dinwiddie and Highland Springs (#1 5A team, 5A finalist) and Varina (#5 4A team, 4A regional finalist)
And FWIW LCA's only losses were to Glass (#4 4A team, semifinalist) and Heritage, Manchester's losses were to Highland Springs and Western Branch (#5 6A team, semifinalist), and Varina's losses were to Highland Springs and King George. Glass' losses were to Heritage and Kettle Run. Western Branch's losses were to Freedom, OS, and King's Fork.
Of Dinwiddie's immediate schedule, the worst loss amongst them is probably an 11-2 Manchester or 10-2 Varina. Of the ten losses, seven are to teams playing tomorrow. Then I even went into losses of losses and you've got teams winning 10-12 games on all of them and I even went into losses of losses of losses and 9-2 OS is probably the "worst" team. I actually have to go five layers deep (Dinwiddie -> Thomas Dale -> Manchester -> King's Fork -> Nansemond River) to find a team who didn't win 9 games and probably is pretty average (8-4). I actually went a few more layers looking for a sub-.500 team who won a game but couldn't find one. I'm legitimately trying to poke holes in Dinwiddie's schedule at this point and it's difficult. The best thing you could say is there's a slight lack of PO success but that's chiefly due to most of the teams simply beating one another themselves.
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